Ok what are possible Discord alternatives?

[mttaggart@infosec.exchange]

@grahamperrin @TomSeppert @thedarktangent I will note that Discourse has real-time chat, but it's not the primary mode. It's meant for backchannel/off-topic.

[suzannealdrich@hachyderm.io]

@marshray
How ‘bout XMPP and WebRTC?

WebRTC | XMPP - The universal messaging standard

WebRTC + XMPP = <3 WebRTC is a free, open project that provides browsers and mobile applications with real-time communications capabilities. Jingle, the XMPP framework for establishing p2p sessions, makes for a great pairing with WebRTC. XMPP is …

(xmpp.org)

@adamshostack @thedarktangent

[zeank@mastodon.social]

@thedarktangent @Em0nM4stodon depending on your needs Movim (https://movim.eu) might or might not be a good fit.

[soph@grrl.me]

@thedarktangent

Just saw this: https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@mdiluz/116043145998840217

[loloster@mastodon.social]

@thedarktangent https://mstdn.social/@hkrn/116043905590233460

[csepp@merveilles.town]

@thedarktangent Depends on what purpose you have in mind.
I've used Matrix the most so I'll try to comment on what it's fit/unfit for.
E2EE: sometimes it breaks, hence the infamous "unable to decrypt message" meme
system load: Synapse is known to use lots of resources, you definitely can't just leave it unattended for months, it will fill up disk space. Other implementations are lighter but support fewer features. Less of a problem if you disable federation.
clients: Element is pretty heavy, the others lag behind in featured / bug fixes. Even Nheko isn't exactly lightweight.
voice/video chat: Native calls actually work pretty smoothly now, but I haven't tried screen sharing or group calls.
moderation: Moderation tools are lacking. Permission system is also not very fine grained and AFAIK uses "power levels" instead of ACLs.
notifications: Still doesn't have a "mentions" list, or maybe it does but it's in beta. If you have a busy "inbox", you will get lost.

I see others recommending it as the default Discord alternative and I think that should be taken with a heap of salt. It's certainly viable for some niches, but expect some flaws.

[csepp@merveilles.town]

@thedarktangent re: E2EE, I will say that I've had unrecoverable OMEMO issues on XMPP where we had to disable encryption completely, so if you need encryption, XMPP is not great either.

[benjamim@social.lol]

@thedarktangent this https://social.lol/@neatnik/116042076134642192

cc/ @Em0nM4stodon

[sylvie@gabriel.havfruefestning.com]

@thedarktangent
https://movim.eu/

[retech@defcon.social]

@thedarktangent mov.im, matrix, roll your own phpbb, ???

[retech@defcon.social]

@NosirrahSec @adamshostack @thedarktangent At least 10x in the last 2 weeks IRC has come up in various convos I've been part of. I'd love to see that come back and I suspect a great many other people would too.

[nightdice@unfug.social]

@skribe
It's called Stoat now but it's still not quite ready to work as a proper replacement from my brief experiments earlier in the year.
@thedarktangent @drwho