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thanks to AI demand, Lattice cannot make enough FPGAs to fulfill orders on iCE40's (and probably ECP5's) with less than a year of lead time.

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  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

    @lynne it's not about the silicon. the silicon is fine

    it's about the little piece of printed circuit board that redistributes signals from the bond wires to the balls under the BGA

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    @whitequark@social.treehouse.systems *that's* the bottleneck?
    I'd have thought that this would have been vertically integrated into the production.
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    • lynne@mk.pars.eeL lynne@mk.pars.ee
      @whitequark@social.treehouse.systems *that's* the bottleneck?
      I'd have thought that this would have been vertically integrated into the production.
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      @lynne you would think so, but there's a worldwide shortage of the stuff now

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      • lynne@mk.pars.eeL lynne@mk.pars.ee
        @whitequark@social.treehouse.systems *that's* the bottleneck?
        I'd have thought that this would have been vertically integrated into the production.
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        @lynne @whitequark funnily enough apparently one of the major producers of this stuff is a company primarily making sauces and other seasoning, which at some point branched out into making packaging materials as a side thing...

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        • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

          @lynne you would think so, but there's a worldwide shortage of the stuff now

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          @lynne specifically of the epoxy resin, which is only manufactured in a few places in the world

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          • henearxn@chaos.socialH henearxn@chaos.social

            @lynne @whitequark funnily enough apparently one of the major producers of this stuff is a company primarily making sauces and other seasoning, which at some point branched out into making packaging materials as a side thing...

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            @HeNeArXn @lynne oh like Ball jars?

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            • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

              @HeNeArXn @lynne oh like Ball jars?

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              @whitequark @lynne seems more resins and such, branching out from the chemistry they had developed for food science. This company: https://www.ajinomoto.com

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              • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                thanks to AI demand, Lattice cannot make enough FPGAs to fulfill orders on iCE40's (and probably ECP5's) with less than a year of lead time. this is likely to cause supply chain issues for Glasgow revD

                • https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/ai-chip-boom-sparks-bt-substrate-materials-shortage-tsmcs-huge-demand-causes-supply-disruptions-for-nand-flash-controllers-ssds
                • https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20250527PD236.html

                words cannot describe my contempt for this shit, and my disdain for anyone still pushing it

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                @whitequark there we go with FPGA shortage again for more absurd reasons this time...
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                • ariac@donotsta.reA ariac@donotsta.re
                  @whitequark there we go with FPGA shortage again for more absurd reasons this time...
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                  @ariac i wonder if TQFPs are still being packaged

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                  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                    @ariac i wonder if TQFPs are still being packaged

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                    @whitequark and i wonder if the price of used wire bonders already got higher.

                    i've been coincidentally asked about it today
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                    • henearxn@chaos.socialH henearxn@chaos.social

                      @whitequark @lynne seems more resins and such, branching out from the chemistry they had developed for food science. This company: https://www.ajinomoto.com

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                      @HeNeArXn @whitequark the global hardware industry is reliant on the company that makes MSG; the global software industry is reliant on furries. there's a connection here

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                      • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                        thanks to AI demand, Lattice cannot make enough FPGAs to fulfill orders on iCE40's (and probably ECP5's) with less than a year of lead time. this is likely to cause supply chain issues for Glasgow revD

                        • https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/ai-chip-boom-sparks-bt-substrate-materials-shortage-tsmcs-huge-demand-causes-supply-disruptions-for-nand-flash-controllers-ssds
                        • https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20250527PD236.html

                        words cannot describe my contempt for this shit, and my disdain for anyone still pushing it

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                        @whitequark is the part available in WLCSP? Even if it means a more expensive PCB for early units, a polyimide RDL should not be affected by a BT shortage

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                        • azonenberg@ioc.exchangeA azonenberg@ioc.exchange

                          @whitequark is the part available in WLCSP? Even if it means a more expensive PCB for early units, a polyimide RDL should not be affected by a BT shortage

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                          @whitequark (also the consequences of a BT shortage are going to be immense it's gonna hit LGA modules, BGAs, SiPs...)

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                          • azonenberg@ioc.exchangeA azonenberg@ioc.exchange

                            @whitequark (also the consequences of a BT shortage are going to be immense it's gonna hit LGA modules, BGAs, SiPs...)

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                            @azonenberg @whitequark Did someone say BT shortage?

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                            • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                              thanks to AI demand, Lattice cannot make enough FPGAs to fulfill orders on iCE40's (and probably ECP5's) with less than a year of lead time. this is likely to cause supply chain issues for Glasgow revD

                              • https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/ai-chip-boom-sparks-bt-substrate-materials-shortage-tsmcs-huge-demand-causes-supply-disruptions-for-nand-flash-controllers-ssds
                              • https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20250527PD236.html

                              words cannot describe my contempt for this shit, and my disdain for anyone still pushing it

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                              @whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                              in theory it would be possible to just glue a die to the PCB and bond it out during assembly, in practice this would be prohibitively expensive as far as I know
                              Considering that most calculators have chips packaged this way, I assume it's because of the setup costs, not the per-unit costs, right?

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                              • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                                thanks to AI demand, Lattice cannot make enough FPGAs to fulfill orders on iCE40's (and probably ECP5's) with less than a year of lead time. this is likely to cause supply chain issues for Glasgow revD

                                • https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/ai-chip-boom-sparks-bt-substrate-materials-shortage-tsmcs-huge-demand-causes-supply-disruptions-for-nand-flash-controllers-ssds
                                • https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20250527PD236.html

                                words cannot describe my contempt for this shit, and my disdain for anyone still pushing it

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                                @whitequark Check out the newer Lattice Nexus parts - 9k to 100k logic cells. In stock at Mouser.

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