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  • mistakenotmy@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
    mistakenotmy@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    $30 billion and the water supply of a small city later

    iwein@mas.toI flo_bwwi_grind@mastodon.socialF fluffydotorg@sfba.socialF thomasdorr@mastodon.socialT pl@cosocial.caP 13 Replies Last reply
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    • mistakenotmy@mastodon.socialM mistakenotmy@mastodon.social

      $30 billion and the water supply of a small city later

      iwein@mas.toI This user is from outside of this forum
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      @mistakenotmy please don't take me for an ai apologist, but there are many multi billion tools that can't count letters.

      The problem only arises when idiots claim a tool can do anything one can dream of. Blame the idiots, not the tools.

      Try writing a book (or colonize Mars for that matter) with a space shuttle, and you are on the same mental plane as someone using an LLM for such a task.

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      • iwein@mas.toI iwein@mas.to

        @mistakenotmy please don't take me for an ai apologist, but there are many multi billion tools that can't count letters.

        The problem only arises when idiots claim a tool can do anything one can dream of. Blame the idiots, not the tools.

        Try writing a book (or colonize Mars for that matter) with a space shuttle, and you are on the same mental plane as someone using an LLM for such a task.

        mistakenotmy@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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        @iwein I post stuff like that for exactly that reason: People are not aware that LLMs are not suitable for many tasks.

        Yet the AI industry wants people to think they are.

        The letter counting is an obvious flaw, many other flaws are not that obvious.

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        • mistakenotmy@mastodon.socialM mistakenotmy@mastodon.social

          $30 billion and the water supply of a small city later

          flo_bwwi_grind@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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          @mistakenotmy
          F*ck me
          Always thought there was only one p in strawpberry

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          • mistakenotmy@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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            @atax1a @petrillic to be fair to sam, this one is on Anthropic

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            • mistakenotmy@mastodon.socialM mistakenotmy@mastodon.social

              $30 billion and the water supply of a small city later

              fluffydotorg@sfba.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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              @mistakenotmy I guess it's an improvement?

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              • mistakenotmy@mastodon.socialM mistakenotmy@mastodon.social

                $30 billion and the water supply of a small city later

                thomasdorr@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                @mistakenotmy
                I feel like our fore fathers made a mistake, we should turn around and crawl back into the ocean.

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                • iwein@mas.toI iwein@mas.to

                  @mistakenotmy please don't take me for an ai apologist, but there are many multi billion tools that can't count letters.

                  The problem only arises when idiots claim a tool can do anything one can dream of. Blame the idiots, not the tools.

                  Try writing a book (or colonize Mars for that matter) with a space shuttle, and you are on the same mental plane as someone using an LLM for such a task.

                  cjpaloma@mstdn.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @iwein @mistakenotmy

                  NO ONE is running -multiple billion dollar hypes- and marketing schemes trying to get people to write books with the space shuttle.

                  Plenty of tech bros/corps -are- shoving these worse than useless LLMs into basic reading, writing, searching tools meant for everyday use in information environments for millions of people.

                  To pretend these products aren't being heavily marketed *by grifting tech bros* to millions of people for general info use, is really disingenuous.

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                  • mistakenotmy@mastodon.socialM mistakenotmy@mastodon.social

                    $30 billion and the water supply of a small city later

                    pl@cosocial.caP This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @mistakenotmy

                    Llama 3.1 says hi

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                    • mistakenotmy@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @atax1a @petrillic fair enough

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                      • cjpaloma@mstdn.socialC cjpaloma@mstdn.social

                        @iwein @mistakenotmy

                        NO ONE is running -multiple billion dollar hypes- and marketing schemes trying to get people to write books with the space shuttle.

                        Plenty of tech bros/corps -are- shoving these worse than useless LLMs into basic reading, writing, searching tools meant for everyday use in information environments for millions of people.

                        To pretend these products aren't being heavily marketed *by grifting tech bros* to millions of people for general info use, is really disingenuous.

                        iwein@mas.toI This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @CJPaloma true, but who's pretending that though?

                        My intention was to use an ad ridiculum to argue these tech bros are idiots.

                        @mistakenotmy

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                        • iwein@mas.toI iwein@mas.to

                          @CJPaloma true, but who's pretending that though?

                          My intention was to use an ad ridiculum to argue these tech bros are idiots.

                          @mistakenotmy

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                          @iwein @mistakenotmy I"m sorry, that wasn't clear -to me- from your reply. I guess I just sort of get suspicious anytime a person says "I'm not an apologist, but..."

                          We are agreed then: the tech bros are idiots! Onward!

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                          • mistakenotmy@mastodon.socialM mistakenotmy@mastodon.social

                            $30 billion and the water supply of a small city later

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                            @mistakenotmy AI: artificial ignorance?

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                            • mistakenotmy@mastodon.socialM mistakenotmy@mastodon.social

                              $30 billion and the water supply of a small city later

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                              @mistakenotmy I got curious and tried adding a system prompt to Claude basically saying "always use tools, don't trust yourself, always verify if possible", and then it got it right. They tell the models to act like this because it drives more engagement when they are confident and answer quickly on things that are deemed "trivial". That makes it somehow worse.

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                              • mistakenotmy@mastodon.socialM mistakenotmy@mastodon.social

                                $30 billion and the water supply of a small city later

                                chrisvest@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @mistakenotmy locally run gemma4:26b gets it right, but it also gets suspicious about the intent behind my questioning…

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                                • mistakenotmy@mastodon.socialM mistakenotmy@mastodon.social

                                  $30 billion and the water supply of a small city later

                                  rich@mastodon.gamedev.placeR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @mistakenotmy pick your own answer 😕

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                                  • mistakenotmy@mastodon.socialM mistakenotmy@mastodon.social

                                    $30 billion and the water supply of a small city later

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                                    @mistakenotmy We have our LLM tools hooked up to our calendars. My favorite is to ask it to do some analysis like "count how many free two hour blocks during business hours I had last week" and getting the right answer, then asking it to do it for a month and having it tell me that I had no events for entire weeks.

                                    Literally worse than "just glancing at a calendar".

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                                    • cjpaloma@mstdn.socialC cjpaloma@mstdn.social

                                      @iwein @mistakenotmy I"m sorry, that wasn't clear -to me- from your reply. I guess I just sort of get suspicious anytime a person says "I'm not an apologist, but..."

                                      We are agreed then: the tech bros are idiots! Onward!

                                      toolbear@tech.lgbtT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @CJPaloma @iwein @mistakenotmy
                                      It's a poorly formulated reply that makes you seem like an AI apologist to me. Especially this part:

                                      > The problem only arises when idiots claim a tool can do anything one can dream of. Blame the idiots, not the tools.

                                      Tools & technology have politics. They aren't neutral. AI in particular, regardless of its capability or who wields it, has the politics of surveillance & oppression, environmental pollution & exploitation, labor disruption, and more.

                                      I doubt this is the first time you've seen it characterized as such on the fediverse. So it also reads to me like you're turning a blind eye to those criticisms, many times expressed more eloquently than me.

                                      If you are opposed to AI (genAI and LLMs), consider that you aren't coming off that way currently.

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                                      • mistakenotmy@mastodon.socialM mistakenotmy@mastodon.social

                                        $30 billion and the water supply of a small city later

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                                        @mistakenotmy lol, fake news

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                                          @pwinn @mistakenotmy older model with different random word

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