I don't know that the world needs to Hear My Take on the chardet claude-laundered relicensing question - claundering?
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I don't know that the world needs to Hear My Take on the chardet claude-laundered relicensing question - claundering? - but I think that at least part of our collective thinking has to be grounded in the fact that this one developer has been working on this codebase almost entirely alone, without support or funding, for at least twelve years.
And I have to ask you, I am begging you, to think about where we've heard a story like that recently.
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I don't know that the world needs to Hear My Take on the chardet claude-laundered relicensing question - claundering? - but I think that at least part of our collective thinking has to be grounded in the fact that this one developer has been working on this codebase almost entirely alone, without support or funding, for at least twelve years.
And I have to ask you, I am begging you, to think about where we've heard a story like that recently.
As gross as I think Claude is, I also think that if the end state of open source projects is that devs are left to work alone for years on the keystone projects of this jenga tower we're calling modern infrastructure, and then we collectively jump all over them when they turn to the kind of help that, however reprehensible it might be, _actually shows up to help_, then the entire FOSS project is a popularity contest where the losers get to join a slow, lonely suicide pact.
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As gross as I think Claude is, I also think that if the end state of open source projects is that devs are left to work alone for years on the keystone projects of this jenga tower we're calling modern infrastructure, and then we collectively jump all over them when they turn to the kind of help that, however reprehensible it might be, _actually shows up to help_, then the entire FOSS project is a popularity contest where the losers get to join a slow, lonely suicide pact.
Using LLMs to ease the burden of maintaining the project is a choice for the maintainer. I may not like it, and avoid projects that do it, but it's legal.
Using an LLM to relicense the project without the agreement of the original authors? Legally dubious at best.
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As gross as I think Claude is, I also think that if the end state of open source projects is that devs are left to work alone for years on the keystone projects of this jenga tower we're calling modern infrastructure, and then we collectively jump all over them when they turn to the kind of help that, however reprehensible it might be, _actually shows up to help_, then the entire FOSS project is a popularity contest where the losers get to join a slow, lonely suicide pact.
Who knows if it will help but not trying never does.
No right to relicense this project · Issue #327 · chardet/chardet
Hi, I'm Mark Pilgrim. You may remember me from such classics as "Dive Into Python" and "Universal Character Encoding Detector." I am the original author of chardet. First off, I would like to thank the current maintainers and everyone wh...
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As gross as I think Claude is, I also think that if the end state of open source projects is that devs are left to work alone for years on the keystone projects of this jenga tower we're calling modern infrastructure, and then we collectively jump all over them when they turn to the kind of help that, however reprehensible it might be, _actually shows up to help_, then the entire FOSS project is a popularity contest where the losers get to join a slow, lonely suicide pact.
@mhoye No. This shit is not "showing up to help". These are projects that are largely DONE, that DON'T NEED ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT, that users DON'T WANT DISRUPTED. The maintainers are there basically just to say no when people come up with some ridiculous thing to add to the already-finished project, or when there's a newly found bug or security issue or incompatibility or other new real-world requirement that comes into play. Turning mature, stable, finished projects into "move fast and break things" hell is NOT a service to anyone.
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I don't know that the world needs to Hear My Take on the chardet claude-laundered relicensing question - claundering? - but I think that at least part of our collective thinking has to be grounded in the fact that this one developer has been working on this codebase almost entirely alone, without support or funding, for at least twelve years.
And I have to ask you, I am begging you, to think about where we've heard a story like that recently.
@mhoye Totally second "claundering" on the condition that it gets spelt "clowndering". -
@mhoye No. This shit is not "showing up to help". These are projects that are largely DONE, that DON'T NEED ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT, that users DON'T WANT DISRUPTED. The maintainers are there basically just to say no when people come up with some ridiculous thing to add to the already-finished project, or when there's a newly found bug or security issue or incompatibility or other new real-world requirement that comes into play. Turning mature, stable, finished projects into "move fast and break things" hell is NOT a service to anyone.
@dalias Random people appearing out of the blue without an ounce of support or even gratitude, to shout at devs who've been supporting some project for a decade with a bullying explanation of what their jobs really are and exactly what's expected of them is specifically what I'm talking about, when I say "a popularity contest where the losers get to join a slow, lonely suicide pact."
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