Another way China is doing AI differently.
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Another way China is doing AI differently.
I am not surprised this happened, by the way. In China, the people's voice is actually heard and acted on. If you understand the way their politics work and the way their government is structured, it will not surprise you at all.
Unfortunately, most Westerners do not understand or think that there are other ways to govern society beyond democracy. They think that non-democratic countries are basically autocratic, but they do not understand that societies have been governed in many different ways for ages. I feel that although democracies can bring some good, they often delay progress and only the loudest gets heard. The loudest do not always have the best interest of society at heart, only their own. In the United States, I do not think it is a democracy anymore, but a plutocracy. In that society, only corporations and billionaires are heard.
Chinese Courts Rule Companies Cannot Fire Workers Simply to Replace Them With AI - Caixin Global
Chinese Courts Rule Companies Cannot Fire Workers Simply to Replace Them With AI - Judges classify AI adoption as a controllable business strategy rather than an unavoidable disruption, shielding employees from automation-driven layoffs
(www.caixinglobal.com)
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Another way China is doing AI differently.
I am not surprised this happened, by the way. In China, the people's voice is actually heard and acted on. If you understand the way their politics work and the way their government is structured, it will not surprise you at all.
Unfortunately, most Westerners do not understand or think that there are other ways to govern society beyond democracy. They think that non-democratic countries are basically autocratic, but they do not understand that societies have been governed in many different ways for ages. I feel that although democracies can bring some good, they often delay progress and only the loudest gets heard. The loudest do not always have the best interest of society at heart, only their own. In the United States, I do not think it is a democracy anymore, but a plutocracy. In that society, only corporations and billionaires are heard.
Chinese Courts Rule Companies Cannot Fire Workers Simply to Replace Them With AI - Caixin Global
Chinese Courts Rule Companies Cannot Fire Workers Simply to Replace Them With AI - Judges classify AI adoption as a controllable business strategy rather than an unavoidable disruption, shielding employees from automation-driven layoffs
(www.caixinglobal.com)
@liztai This is pretty egregious defence of authoritarianism and erasure of China's horrible labour abuses and AI policies
I'll mute you shortly but I think anyone boosting you this needs to take a moment and think about the message here, and whether you're just viewing China as a magical land that has solved all of your problems, rather than a real place with real people
In China, the people's voice is actually heard and acted on.
how? what are the democratic feedback mechanisms in china? where are the journalists, lawyers, independent trade unions, etc.?
If you understand the way their politics work and the way their government is structured, it will not surprise you at all.
really? how is the government structured? who are the most marginalized people in china, and how do they get a voice in the government?
In that society [America], only corporations and billionaires are heard.
well, I'm glad that in china corporations and billionaires' influence is small, then! (it's not)
And for anyone who actually wants real news from and about China, and not a weird projected illusion:
https://chinadigitaltimes.net
https://chinamediaproject.org
https://chinalaborwatch.org
https://lausancollective.com -
@liztai This is pretty egregious defence of authoritarianism and erasure of China's horrible labour abuses and AI policies
I'll mute you shortly but I think anyone boosting you this needs to take a moment and think about the message here, and whether you're just viewing China as a magical land that has solved all of your problems, rather than a real place with real people
In China, the people's voice is actually heard and acted on.
how? what are the democratic feedback mechanisms in china? where are the journalists, lawyers, independent trade unions, etc.?
If you understand the way their politics work and the way their government is structured, it will not surprise you at all.
really? how is the government structured? who are the most marginalized people in china, and how do they get a voice in the government?
In that society [America], only corporations and billionaires are heard.
well, I'm glad that in china corporations and billionaires' influence is small, then! (it's not)
And for anyone who actually wants real news from and about China, and not a weird projected illusion:
https://chinadigitaltimes.net
https://chinamediaproject.org
https://chinalaborwatch.org
https://lausancollective.comGrowing up, China was always the big baddy in all our stories. Whatever was happening, China was in the wrong.
My parents only told us stories about how terrible China was, how poor the people were, how brutal the government was.
The West, mostly represented by the US, was the opposite. It was the land of the free, where merit counts more than blood, where anyone could make it, where people could work hard and afford a decent life.
Somewhere along the path of extreme capitalism, the roles flipped. Workers at Amazon have to wear diapers to get through a shift while workers in China can get healthcare.
The US is now in the state of authoritarianism I feel like my parents talked so much about when I was a kid yet believes in it's own bullshit of being a democracy.
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Growing up, China was always the big baddy in all our stories. Whatever was happening, China was in the wrong.
My parents only told us stories about how terrible China was, how poor the people were, how brutal the government was.
The West, mostly represented by the US, was the opposite. It was the land of the free, where merit counts more than blood, where anyone could make it, where people could work hard and afford a decent life.
Somewhere along the path of extreme capitalism, the roles flipped. Workers at Amazon have to wear diapers to get through a shift while workers in China can get healthcare.
The US is now in the state of authoritarianism I feel like my parents talked so much about when I was a kid yet believes in it's own bullshit of being a democracy.
@chu @cxiao @liztai I think all of these things can be true. China's AI laws are pretty decent. Basic needs for most people are okay (still a ton of poverty everywhere, but a lot fewer people living in extreme poverty.) It's an extreme surveillance state and "freedom" is limited. The wealth gulf is immense between the ultra rich and the average person.
It's a different shape of the same class war, but it's still the same class war.
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@chu @cxiao @liztai I think all of these things can be true. China's AI laws are pretty decent. Basic needs for most people are okay (still a ton of poverty everywhere, but a lot fewer people living in extreme poverty.) It's an extreme surveillance state and "freedom" is limited. The wealth gulf is immense between the ultra rich and the average person.
It's a different shape of the same class war, but it's still the same class war.
The other thing I was led to believe was that mao bad, Chiang Kai Shek good.
He was on team US. My family is from HK so we definitely had our biases.
Two years ago when I visited Taiwan for the first time, I realized that not even people in TW believe he was the good guy in the story. He brutally murdered a lot of people in TW and installed himself basically as an emperor who killed so much he was super paranoid of getting assassinated at the end of his life.
I am trying to relearn the stories I was told as a kid but from a different pov now.
The only one I haven't taken up is the Japanese version of Nanking since I think they just pretend it never happened.
