Here's Our First Gemini Deep Think LLM-Assisted Hardware Design
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@adafruit good for you, and for me. I can now buy the Chinese clones of your hardware without a bad conscience.
@mavu @adafruit Why though? This is a perfect use for generative AI. Creating footprints is pure slog work, pad size, pad spacing, solder paste, solder mask, silk screen. Look up the the sizes in the data sheet, or a seperate sizing spec sheet if it's from TI. The associate pins with pads. It can take hours and at the end you have a schematic component so now you can begin the actual engineering.
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@malachai @adafruit I mean no disrespect when I ask why this is not an appropriate use generative AI? Capturing footprints and schematic symbols is pure drive work that can take hours before you even start the actual engineering. The tech bros talk a lot of crap, but getting the machines to do these boring robotic tasks really does free up engineers to do creative work.
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@malachai @adafruit I mean no disrespect when I ask why this is not an appropriate use generative AI? Capturing footprints and schematic symbols is pure drive work that can take hours before you even start the actual engineering. The tech bros talk a lot of crap, but getting the machines to do these boring robotic tasks really does free up engineers to do creative work.
@orangutanlibrarian @malachai @adafruit not really, managing the library and footprints is about 1/10 of thr work load of electrical design. Hardly ever you need to make your own footprint since most components use standard footprints. Realistically most vendors already offer kicad library files if not the footprint files. I would wager it takes me more work checking if the shitbox machine generated correct files then I am making my own files.
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Here's Our First Gemini Deep Think LLM-Assisted Hardware Design
We've been using LLMs for software and firmware for years... now we're trying hardware. Threw a MAX44009 datasheet at Gemini Deep Think, asked for an EagleCAD library file, and about 10 minutes later it popped out working XML. Loaded it in Eagle, checked the pins and dimensions, rolled with it.
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@orangutanlibrarian @malachai @adafruit not really, managing the library and footprints is about 1/10 of thr work load of electrical design. Hardly ever you need to make your own footprint since most components use standard footprints. Realistically most vendors already offer kicad library files if not the footprint files. I would wager it takes me more work checking if the shitbox machine generated correct files then I am making my own files.
@tretron @malachai @adafruit All of that is true, but at 10% time saving on projects with weird components. If, big if, the machines can be relied upon to produce footprints and symbols faster and more reliably than I can do it myself, then why not? Should we never use the tool just because it's mostly used for copyright violation and porn?
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@orangutanlibrarian @tretron @adafruit I appreciate you being willing to say that.
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@mavu @adafruit Why though? This is a perfect use for generative AI. Creating footprints is pure slog work, pad size, pad spacing, solder paste, solder mask, silk screen. Look up the the sizes in the data sheet, or a seperate sizing spec sheet if it's from TI. The associate pins with pads. It can take hours and at the end you have a schematic component so now you can begin the actual engineering.
@orangutanlibrarian @adafruit because genAI companies are anti-social parasites who only thrive by stealing everyone's creations without asking for permission or giving even a thought to compensation. From music to art, from books to shitposts. Everything stolen and the result sold for money.
They destroy lives of people from artists to engineers.
They eat energy and capital at an insane rate, and the crash will be a desaster.
Use genAI and accept all of the above as inevitable, or fight it. -
@tretron @malachai @adafruit All of that is true, but at 10% time saving on projects with weird components. If, big if, the machines can be relied upon to produce footprints and symbols faster and more reliably than I can do it myself, then why not? Should we never use the tool just because it's mostly used for copyright violation and porn?
@orangutanlibrarian @malachai @adafruit To expand on Malachai's reaction too: There is also an issue with who owns the tool itself. Making footprints is a skill, reading documents is a skill. Those skills are important in electronical engineering to understand what you need to do. Now generative AI is a tool that generally is not owned by you the person but rather a large cooporation. using this tool would reduce the need for anyone to hone their skills. This causes a feedback loop where someone becomes dependand on the tool. Basicly a circle saw is a tool i often use, but I don't need a circle saw to make ca cabinet. I can transfer most skills over to my hand saws. It will take me a while to get a feel for the new tool and it isn't as fast but the underlying skill set is still the same. With generative aI as a tool that's not the same. It is basicly a new form of feudalism. That is ontop of the negative envionmental effects both dirrectly and long term.
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Here's Our First Gemini Deep Think LLM-Assisted Hardware Design
We've been using LLMs for software and firmware for years... now we're trying hardware. Threw a MAX44009 datasheet at Gemini Deep Think, asked for an EagleCAD library file, and about 10 minutes later it popped out working XML. Loaded it in Eagle, checked the pins and dimensions, rolled with it.
@adafruit ow no, don't jump the shark.
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Here's Our First Gemini Deep Think LLM-Assisted Hardware Design
We've been using LLMs for software and firmware for years... now we're trying hardware. Threw a MAX44009 datasheet at Gemini Deep Think, asked for an EagleCAD library file, and about 10 minutes later it popped out working XML. Loaded it in Eagle, checked the pins and dimensions, rolled with it.
@adafruit Please learn to read the room instead of leaning harder into a space your customer base hates.
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Here's Our First Gemini Deep Think LLM-Assisted Hardware Design
We've been using LLMs for software and firmware for years... now we're trying hardware. Threw a MAX44009 datasheet at Gemini Deep Think, asked for an EagleCAD library file, and about 10 minutes later it popped out working XML. Loaded it in Eagle, checked the pins and dimensions, rolled with it.
@adafruit
Oh, this ain't it. Neeeext.
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Here's Our First Gemini Deep Think LLM-Assisted Hardware Design
We've been using LLMs for software and firmware for years... now we're trying hardware. Threw a MAX44009 datasheet at Gemini Deep Think, asked for an EagleCAD library file, and about 10 minutes later it popped out working XML. Loaded it in Eagle, checked the pins and dimensions, rolled with it.
@adafruit So what you're saying is you had a software tool assist you in stealing from designs made by other people, which you're now selling for a profit. Got it.
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Here's Our First Gemini Deep Think LLM-Assisted Hardware Design
We've been using LLMs for software and firmware for years... now we're trying hardware. Threw a MAX44009 datasheet at Gemini Deep Think, asked for an EagleCAD library file, and about 10 minutes later it popped out working XML. Loaded it in Eagle, checked the pins and dimensions, rolled with it.
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Here's Our First Gemini Deep Think LLM-Assisted Hardware Design
We've been using LLMs for software and firmware for years... now we're trying hardware. Threw a MAX44009 datasheet at Gemini Deep Think, asked for an EagleCAD library file, and about 10 minutes later it popped out working XML. Loaded it in Eagle, checked the pins and dimensions, rolled with it.
@adafruit Onto my blacklist you go ...
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Here's Our First Gemini Deep Think LLM-Assisted Hardware Design
We've been using LLMs for software and firmware for years... now we're trying hardware. Threw a MAX44009 datasheet at Gemini Deep Think, asked for an EagleCAD library file, and about 10 minutes later it popped out working XML. Loaded it in Eagle, checked the pins and dimensions, rolled with it.
@adafruit so, the big deal is not the thing it does, but the fact that it's slop generated? That's what you're proud of?
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Here's Our First Gemini Deep Think LLM-Assisted Hardware Design
We've been using LLMs for software and firmware for years... now we're trying hardware. Threw a MAX44009 datasheet at Gemini Deep Think, asked for an EagleCAD library file, and about 10 minutes later it popped out working XML. Loaded it in Eagle, checked the pins and dimensions, rolled with it.
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Here's Our First Gemini Deep Think LLM-Assisted Hardware Design
We've been using LLMs for software and firmware for years... now we're trying hardware. Threw a MAX44009 datasheet at Gemini Deep Think, asked for an EagleCAD library file, and about 10 minutes later it popped out working XML. Loaded it in Eagle, checked the pins and dimensions, rolled with it.
@adafruit Maybe LLMs can generate you some customers, too.
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@orangutanlibrarian @malachai @adafruit not really, managing the library and footprints is about 1/10 of thr work load of electrical design. Hardly ever you need to make your own footprint since most components use standard footprints. Realistically most vendors already offer kicad library files if not the footprint files. I would wager it takes me more work checking if the shitbox machine generated correct files then I am making my own files.
@tretron @orangutanlibrarian @malachai @adafruit and let's not forget that this technology currently burned through 840 billion $ of aggregated funding. With a microscopic fraction of that budget we could probably automate the issue away with a suitable and reliable tool. For that kind of money every problem you can think of has a better solution than an LLM.
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Here's Our First Gemini Deep Think LLM-Assisted Hardware Design
We've been using LLMs for software and firmware for years... now we're trying hardware. Threw a MAX44009 datasheet at Gemini Deep Think, asked for an EagleCAD library file, and about 10 minutes later it popped out working XML. Loaded it in Eagle, checked the pins and dimensions, rolled with it.
But why?
