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  3. Ian Baruma explores in today's Observer whether the Tangerine Tyrant is a fascist (and the US is becoming a fascist state).

Ian Baruma explores in today's Observer whether the Tangerine Tyrant is a fascist (and the US is becoming a fascist state).

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    Ian Baruma explores in today's Observer whether the Tangerine Tyrant is a fascist (and the US is becoming a fascist state).

    He concludes that (as always) its difficult to finally & firmly define racism, but if not fascistic then the difference is only really a matter of degree....

    #fascism #USPol #Trump

    [The Observer are claiming the while article is free to read (in front of their paywall) so you can access it here:

    https://observer.co.uk/news/politics/article/the-age-of-american-fascism ]

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      Ian Baruma explores in today's Observer whether the Tangerine Tyrant is a fascist (and the US is becoming a fascist state).

      He concludes that (as always) its difficult to finally & firmly define racism, but if not fascistic then the difference is only really a matter of degree....

      #fascism #USPol #Trump

      [The Observer are claiming the while article is free to read (in front of their paywall) so you can access it here:

      https://observer.co.uk/news/politics/article/the-age-of-american-fascism ]

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      @ChrisMayLA6

      If not fascist, why fascist shape?

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        @ChrisMayLA6

        If not fascist, why fascist shape?

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        @n_dimension

        to get all academic about it.

        its a sort of Q. from Wittgenstein about meaning; in the late-Wittgenstein he makes an argument about definitions being sorts of clusters (his example is defining the word 'game'), and so defining fascist is difficult because its been used for so many, at least partly dissimilar regimes & political leaders.... so defining it at anything other than a relatively high level of abstraction can be difficult; but this is not to say the word is meanginess!

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          Ian Baruma explores in today's Observer whether the Tangerine Tyrant is a fascist (and the US is becoming a fascist state).

          He concludes that (as always) its difficult to finally & firmly define racism, but if not fascistic then the difference is only really a matter of degree....

          #fascism #USPol #Trump

          [The Observer are claiming the while article is free to read (in front of their paywall) so you can access it here:

          https://observer.co.uk/news/politics/article/the-age-of-american-fascism ]

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          @ChrisMayLA6

          I didn't agree with his definition of fascism (for example it entirely misses the fact that it arises in reaction to the reality or fear of the left winning elections) - but it is interesting that this is still a question to be discussed in UK mainstream media - while Mastodon came to the same conclusion about Trump literally years ago.

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            @ChrisMayLA6

            I didn't agree with his definition of fascism (for example it entirely misses the fact that it arises in reaction to the reality or fear of the left winning elections) - but it is interesting that this is still a question to be discussed in UK mainstream media - while Mastodon came to the same conclusion about Trump literally years ago.

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            @GeofCox

            Yes, although as I noted in a reply defining Fascism is not so easy.... but yes, Baruma *does* seem late to the game in relation to discussions here

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