“can you recommend an alternative?” no. that’s why I’m so fucking angry.
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“can you recommend an alternative?” no. that’s why I’m so fucking angry. we fucked it. we’re no longer capable of making online chat protocols or web browsers or discussion forum software that people actually want to use. it’s all shit. every choice is either proprietary and exploitative or awful open source garbage sucking all the air out of all alternatives and forks, operated by fucking terrible people. we let this happen.
you want there to be an alternative so you can skip being angry too.
@zzt Old stuff still works though.
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“can you recommend an alternative?” no. that’s why I’m so fucking angry. we fucked it. we’re no longer capable of making online chat protocols or web browsers or discussion forum software that people actually want to use. it’s all shit. every choice is either proprietary and exploitative or awful open source garbage sucking all the air out of all alternatives and forks, operated by fucking terrible people. we let this happen.
you want there to be an alternative so you can skip being angry too.
@zzt Are we not in the alternative right now?
It can be built but can we steer lemmings to use it?
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“can you recommend an alternative?” no. that’s why I’m so fucking angry. we fucked it. we’re no longer capable of making online chat protocols or web browsers or discussion forum software that people actually want to use. it’s all shit. every choice is either proprietary and exploitative or awful open source garbage sucking all the air out of all alternatives and forks, operated by fucking terrible people. we let this happen.
you want there to be an alternative so you can skip being angry too.
@zzt Reading this on the fediverse while nodding vigorously.
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don’t come to this thread to argue. get angry and fucking do something about it. you feel trapped? good. welcome in. it fucking sucks in here.
hey shitheads who came here to argue: fuck you
that’s it actually, just fuck you
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hey shitheads who came here to argue: fuck you
that’s it actually, just fuck you
“oh ho ho you posted this on mastodon which is the alternative to” get fucked. the open web is burning and you’re jacking off on the flames. the fuck is wrong with you.
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@zzt Old stuff still works though.
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don’t come to this thread to argue. get angry and fucking do something about it. you feel trapped? good. welcome in. it fucking sucks in here.
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@zzt @polyproto really really really trying hard to make this as good as it can be. and we are getting somewhere, i think
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@zzt Are we not in the alternative right now?
It can be built but can we steer lemmings to use it?@joegaffey @zzt if your answer starts "well i'm a snide hipster, but" then you have singularly failed to understand the question
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@t_var_s @tux0r @zzt fsvo. distributed irc was shit in extremely tired ways, somehow combining the worst of decentralised with the worst of feudalised. it only "works" on a single well-run server, and we're back to the original problem.
i met my wife on irc, i have a fondness for it. it still doesn't answer the question.
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@t_var_s @tux0r @zzt fsvo. distributed irc was shit in extremely tired ways, somehow combining the worst of decentralised with the worst of feudalised. it only "works" on a single well-run server, and we're back to the original problem.
i met my wife on irc, i have a fondness for it. it still doesn't answer the question.
@davidgerard @t_var_s @tux0r @zzt I have no fond memories of IRC usability wise. The UX was already bad in the 2000s, and from the little contact I've had with it since, there has been no improvement.
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@zzt Reading this on the fediverse while nodding vigorously.
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@davidgerard @t_var_s @tux0r @zzt I have no fond memories of IRC usability wise. The UX was already bad in the 2000s, and from the little contact I've had with it since, there has been no improvement.
@Kiloku @davidgerard @t_var_s @zzt IRCv3 is shaping up pretty nicely, everything else is an implementation detail.
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@davidgerard Weirdos of the World, Unite @matthew @zzt
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@zzt Are we not in the alternative right now?
It can be built but can we steer lemmings to use it?@joegaffey @zzt maybe it starts by not comparing your users (the 95%+ of humanity that doesn't have an inexplicable boner for arcane computer nonsense) to lemmings
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@t_var_s @tux0r @zzt fsvo. distributed irc was shit in extremely tired ways, somehow combining the worst of decentralised with the worst of feudalised. it only "works" on a single well-run server, and we're back to the original problem.
i met my wife on irc, i have a fondness for it. it still doesn't answer the question.
@davidgerard @t_var_s @tux0r @zzt
<DrCuriosity> Yes.
<DrCuriosity> There are some things I don't miss.
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@joegaffey @zzt maybe it starts by not comparing your users (the 95%+ of humanity that doesn't have an inexplicable boner for arcane computer nonsense) to lemmings
@anhedonie @joegaffey @zzt if they can't telnet 6667 can they even really be allowed to use the computer
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@davidgerard @t_var_s @tux0r @zzt
<DrCuriosity> Yes.
<DrCuriosity> There are some things I don't miss.
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IRC's fragile spanning tree structure is the root problem but i don't know how we'd do cross-tree links without all sorts of weirdness
there's probably a solution involving terrible hand rolled cryptography that also doesn't solve the problem
(as with so many such problems)
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@DrCuriosity @t_var_s @tux0r @zzt
IRC's fragile spanning tree structure is the root problem but i don't know how we'd do cross-tree links without all sorts of weirdness
there's probably a solution involving terrible hand rolled cryptography that also doesn't solve the problem
(as with so many such problems)
@DrCuriosity @t_var_s @tux0r @zzt discord basically worked in ways irc didn't. if you don't understand that, you don't understand the question.
