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The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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  • chebra@mstdn.ioC chebra@mstdn.io

    @johan_andersson I think that was backwards, Bun started the rewrite because of the new Zig code of conduct. And it's going "great", 1M line PR, thousands of unsafe blocks, good luck to anyone trying to work with that...

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    @chebra @johan_andersson That 1M line PR missed at least one line. The README.md still says: "It's written in Zig" 🤷‍♂️

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    • J johan_andersson@mastodon.social

      @campuscodi Guess #Zig devs are mad their flagship project #Bun is being ported to #Rust by #Claude #AI.

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      @johan_andersson @campuscodi predates the port, so nothing to do with it.

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      • chebra@mstdn.ioC chebra@mstdn.io

        @johan_andersson I think that was backwards, Bun started the rewrite because of the new Zig code of conduct. And it's going "great", 1M line PR, thousands of unsafe blocks, good luck to anyone trying to work with that...

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        @chebra Ah, if that's the order of event that's equally funny, heh.

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        • kdwarn@social.coopK kdwarn@social.coop

          @johan_andersson @campuscodi predates the port, so nothing to do with it.

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          @kdwarn @johan_andersson @campuscodi The policy gained at least a few paragraphs after Bun's fork of Zig.

          https://youtu.be/1zBrQFpbK1U

          Haven't checked, though, whether they were added before Bun's port to Rust.

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          • corpsmoderne@mamot.frC corpsmoderne@mamot.fr

            @johan_andersson @campuscodi a large chuck of the rust community is also mad.

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            @corpsmoderne @johan_andersson @campuscodi

            Rust has lisp-sized social problems as far as I can tell.

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            • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

              The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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              Zig president says AI coding contributions are 'invariably garbage,' so he banned them

              Zig, an open-source programming language bans contributors from using AI. Its president said that the these submissions have "no value whatsoever."

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              @campuscodi Ya, this is it... the bottleneck isn't how many merge requests they get, it's their ability to review them. Every merde request (not a typo) is time taken away from actually developing zig.

              I don't see why so many other projects haven't figured this out yet. We don't need more merde requests for, we need to be able to read the merge requests we do get.

              Banning AI is a crude way to do this, but unless someone wants to start paying for armies of reviewers to sort the slop...

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              • J johan_andersson@mastodon.social

                @chebra Ah, if that's the order of event that's equally funny, heh.

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                @johan_andersson @chebra It’s even funnier if you look at it as “Anthropic, the AI company that owns Bun, are desperately trying to get rid of a dependency on a language that puts limits on contributions that use AI.” Or it may be marketing genius if they actually pull it off, I don’t know.

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                • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

                  The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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                  @campuscodi Pretty sure that GitHub will probably do the same thing soon or later.

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                  • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

                    The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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                    Zig president says AI coding contributions are 'invariably garbage,' so he banned them

                    Zig, an open-source programming language bans contributors from using AI. Its president said that the these submissions have "no value whatsoever."

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                    @campuscodi They've had a no-AI policy for quite some time. Did anything about the policy change, or is it just getting more coverage because of the interview?

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                    • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

                      The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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                      Zig president says AI coding contributions are 'invariably garbage,' so he banned them

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                      @campuscodi I guess I learn zig.

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                      • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

                        The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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                        @campuscodi May not be a wise move on the vulnerability scanning. That's almost certainly gonna come back to bite him on his butt.

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                        • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

                          The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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                          @campuscodi
                          The language is so safe you can't even read an article about it.

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                          • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

                            The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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                            @campuscodi Bun--acquired by Anthropic--just had a huge, ridiculous PR opened to switch from Zig to Rust.

                            Perhaps Anthropic tried to purchase Zig, and was told to pound sand?

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                            • theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.socialT theeclecticdyslexic@mstdn.social

                              @campuscodi Ya, this is it... the bottleneck isn't how many merge requests they get, it's their ability to review them. Every merde request (not a typo) is time taken away from actually developing zig.

                              I don't see why so many other projects haven't figured this out yet. We don't need more merde requests for, we need to be able to read the merge requests we do get.

                              Banning AI is a crude way to do this, but unless someone wants to start paying for armies of reviewers to sort the slop...

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                              @theeclecticdyslexic @campuscodi Oh, no, what you're supposed to do is have the slop machines review the PR.

                              I'm not joking. That's literal the thought process.

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                              • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

                                The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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                                @campuscodi I love how the domain it's dealt with in is code of conduct.

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                                • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

                                  The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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                                  @campuscodi Do the same for horse64 @ell1e 😛

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                                  • tris@chaos.socialT tris@chaos.social

                                    @campuscodi Do the same for horse64 @ell1e 😛

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                                    @tris @campuscodi if you have a proposal of how this should be expanded, let me know: https://horse64.org/docs/How%20to%20Contribute#why-ai-contributions-are-not-allowed

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                                    • eestileib@tech.lgbtE eestileib@tech.lgbt

                                      @corpsmoderne @johan_andersson @campuscodi

                                      Rust has lisp-sized social problems as far as I can tell.

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                                      @eestileib @corpsmoderne @johan_andersson @campuscodi what does that mean?

                                      Both "what does it mean for a (social?) problem to be lisp-sized" and "what did you want to communicate with that post"?

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                                      • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

                                        The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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                                        @campuscodi next they will ban anyone using Dvorak to make patches.

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                                        • campuscodi@mastodon.socialC campuscodi@mastodon.social

                                          The Zig programming language has updated its code of conduct to ban LLM-generated code, vulnerability research, text-generation, and about anything AI at all

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                                          @campuscodi This got me curious, so I looked at GCC and clang. GCC is still working on it:

                                          working-group-ai-policy - GCC Wiki

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                                          LLVM allows slop, which disappointed me, even if they include language which suggests that the contributor should be accountable for the code:

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                                          I wonder how the complete lack of clarity around slop contributions is acceptable to the projects.

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