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Dan Blanchard, maintainer of Python's "chardet" library, used Claude to rewrite the entire project's codebase so that he can switch the license from LGPL to MIT.

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  • scy@chaos.socialS scy@chaos.social

    Dan Blanchard, maintainer of Python's "chardet" library, used Claude to rewrite the entire project's codebase so that he can switch the license from LGPL to MIT.

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    I highly doubt that this is legal, but who the fuck cares these days anyway, right?

    If I was a contributor to that project, I'd tell him in no vague words what I think about shit like that. "No bro, it's totally not relicensing your code bro, this is totally new code bro!"

    via https://chaos.social/@Foxboron/116170859737134271

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    @scy

    I thought there's no intellectual property on LLM-created things? This would mean _no_ license and simply public domain?

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    • scy@chaos.socialS scy@chaos.social

      Dan Blanchard, maintainer of Python's "chardet" library, used Claude to rewrite the entire project's codebase so that he can switch the license from LGPL to MIT.

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      chardet 7.0: ground-up MIT-licensed rewrite by dan-blanchard · Pull Request #322 · chardet/chardet

      Python character encoding detector. Contribute to chardet/chardet development by creating an account on GitHub.

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      I highly doubt that this is legal, but who the fuck cares these days anyway, right?

      If I was a contributor to that project, I'd tell him in no vague words what I think about shit like that. "No bro, it's totally not relicensing your code bro, this is totally new code bro!"

      via https://chaos.social/@Foxboron/116170859737134271

      scy@chaos.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #6

      Oh god this thread is gonna attract a lot of comments by people with questionable understanding of copyright law, isn't it.

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      • knud@mastodon.socialK knud@mastodon.social

        @scy

        I thought there's no intellectual property on LLM-created things? This would mean _no_ license and simply public domain?

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        @knud @scy I think the outcome is public domain, not even MIT
        https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-supreme-court-declines-hear-dispute-over-copyrights-ai-generated-material-2026-03-02/

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        • knud@mastodon.socialK knud@mastodon.social

          @scy

          I thought there's no intellectual property on LLM-created things? This would mean _no_ license and simply public domain?

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          @knud @scy if he changes something he gets copyright. Stuff directly out of the LLM is not copyrightable though

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          • scy@chaos.socialS scy@chaos.social

            Dan Blanchard, maintainer of Python's "chardet" library, used Claude to rewrite the entire project's codebase so that he can switch the license from LGPL to MIT.

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            chardet 7.0: ground-up MIT-licensed rewrite by dan-blanchard · Pull Request #322 · chardet/chardet

            Python character encoding detector. Contribute to chardet/chardet development by creating an account on GitHub.

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            I highly doubt that this is legal, but who the fuck cares these days anyway, right?

            If I was a contributor to that project, I'd tell him in no vague words what I think about shit like that. "No bro, it's totally not relicensing your code bro, this is totally new code bro!"

            via https://chaos.social/@Foxboron/116170859737134271

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            @scy do you know if anyone has checked if certain lines of code also appear in the slop version? Cause of course Claude was trained on the original code.

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            • scy@chaos.socialS scy@chaos.social

              Damn I hope we spend 2027 to 2037 to sue the whole LLM industry into the fucking ground.

              Every software project built using license-violating training data, every piece of music made by stealing from thousands of artists simultaneously, every picture created by ripping off people who barely have enough to make a living.

              Sue them all for copyright violations.

              I don't care if we need twice as many lawyers to do that.

              Or, option B, abandon copyright altogether. Both works for me.

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              @scy wird das nicht für WINE total witzig wenn da jemand zeug mit Copilot bastelt das dann ggf. Auch mal die original Windows Repos gesehen hat?

              Hm... Ob wohl jemand original Windows Source Code schon aus so einem Helfer gepopelt hat? 😄 Wenn sie doch angeblich 30% schon mit KI schreiben...

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                @scy do you know if anyone has checked if certain lines of code also appear in the slop version? Cause of course Claude was trained on the original code.

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                @tante Should be pretty easy to check with an hour of coding or something, but I don't have time for that right now. And no, I haven't seen anyone check this yet.

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                • scy@chaos.socialS scy@chaos.social

                  Dan Blanchard, maintainer of Python's "chardet" library, used Claude to rewrite the entire project's codebase so that he can switch the license from LGPL to MIT.

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                  chardet 7.0: ground-up MIT-licensed rewrite by dan-blanchard · Pull Request #322 · chardet/chardet

                  Python character encoding detector. Contribute to chardet/chardet development by creating an account on GitHub.

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                  GitHub (github.com)

                  I highly doubt that this is legal, but who the fuck cares these days anyway, right?

                  If I was a contributor to that project, I'd tell him in no vague words what I think about shit like that. "No bro, it's totally not relicensing your code bro, this is totally new code bro!"

                  via https://chaos.social/@Foxboron/116170859737134271

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                  @scy @Foxboron Did they do that for this reason? Or did they do a big rewrite to improve performance and the project overall, and also thought that rewrite would influence the licence?

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                  • scy@chaos.socialS scy@chaos.social

                    Oh god this thread is gonna attract a lot of comments by people with questionable understanding of copyright law, isn't it.

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                    @scy sure. And also to my understanding since "AI" age copyright is over. I think this shows that nobody ever cared. I hope the same as you do. Either they enforce their stuff to everyone or trash all this copyright nonsense.

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                      @scy wird das nicht für WINE total witzig wenn da jemand zeug mit Copilot bastelt das dann ggf. Auch mal die original Windows Repos gesehen hat?

                      Hm... Ob wohl jemand original Windows Source Code schon aus so einem Helfer gepopelt hat? 😄 Wenn sie doch angeblich 30% schon mit KI schreiben...

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                      @NexCarter Da scrollte sogar letztens was an mir vorbei mit irgendnem Chatbot der beim Nachdenken in den Windows-Code geschaut hat iirc, aber ich find's gerade nicht mehr.

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                      • nexcarter@chaos.socialN nexcarter@chaos.social

                        @scy sure. And also to my understanding since "AI" age copyright is over. I think this shows that nobody ever cared. I hope the same as you do. Either they enforce their stuff to everyone or trash all this copyright nonsense.

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                        @NexCarter I'm a creator, and I'm actually fine with either option: Either we do have copyright, but then it has to be enforceable and enforced for _everyone_ instead of giving "AI" companies a pass to do whatever they want. _Or_ we get rid of copyright altogether, for everyone.

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                        • scy@chaos.socialS scy@chaos.social

                          @NexCarter Da scrollte sogar letztens was an mir vorbei mit irgendnem Chatbot der beim Nachdenken in den Windows-Code geschaut hat iirc, aber ich find's gerade nicht mehr.

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                          @scy "die da oben" (große corpos) haben halt Copyright immer als hebel genutzt... Jetzt mit diesem KI Müll fällt ihnen das richtig auf die Füße. Einerseits seine Leute zu zwingen mit dem Dreck zu arbeiten. Andererseits kannst du halt alles was du da rein schüttet mit genug Aufwand auch wieder raus ziehen.
                          Ob das Musik,
                          Code
                          Bücher
                          Bilder
                          Sind...

                          Und I'm Prinzip kämpfen die reichen gerade auch untereinander wer sich mehr raus nehmen darf...

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                          • scy@chaos.socialS scy@chaos.social

                            @NexCarter I'm a creator, and I'm actually fine with either option: Either we do have copyright, but then it has to be enforceable and enforced for _everyone_ instead of giving "AI" companies a pass to do whatever they want. _Or_ we get rid of copyright altogether, for everyone.

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                            @scy I like the later one. But I'm would it call myself a creator so I can have my opinion.

                            To me it is like you said. Rules either for everyone or no one. But some (ie if you are rich enough) are okay and some (can't afford lawyers) not is bullshit.

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                            • scy@chaos.socialS scy@chaos.social

                              Dan Blanchard, maintainer of Python's "chardet" library, used Claude to rewrite the entire project's codebase so that he can switch the license from LGPL to MIT.

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                              chardet 7.0: ground-up MIT-licensed rewrite by dan-blanchard · Pull Request #322 · chardet/chardet

                              Python character encoding detector. Contribute to chardet/chardet development by creating an account on GitHub.

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                              I highly doubt that this is legal, but who the fuck cares these days anyway, right?

                              If I was a contributor to that project, I'd tell him in no vague words what I think about shit like that. "No bro, it's totally not relicensing your code bro, this is totally new code bro!"

                              via https://chaos.social/@Foxboron/116170859737134271

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                              @scy it's totally not his code either…

                              Depending on your interpretation, either it's all that's been ripped off by training the AI, or none at all and no Copyright apply:

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                              Jamie Gaskins (@jamie@zomglol.wtf)

                              Attached: 2 images If you use AI-generated code, you currently cannot claim copyright on it in the US. If you fail to disclose/disclaim exactly which parts were not written by a human, you forfeit your copyright claim on *the entire codebase*. This means copyright notices and even licenses folks are putting on their vibe-coded GitHub repos are unenforceable. The AI-generated code, and possibly the whole project, becomes public domain. Source: https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/LSB/PDF/LSB10922/LSB10922.8.pdf

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                              • scy@chaos.socialS scy@chaos.social

                                Dan Blanchard, maintainer of Python's "chardet" library, used Claude to rewrite the entire project's codebase so that he can switch the license from LGPL to MIT.

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                                chardet 7.0: ground-up MIT-licensed rewrite by dan-blanchard · Pull Request #322 · chardet/chardet

                                Python character encoding detector. Contribute to chardet/chardet development by creating an account on GitHub.

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                                I highly doubt that this is legal, but who the fuck cares these days anyway, right?

                                If I was a contributor to that project, I'd tell him in no vague words what I think about shit like that. "No bro, it's totally not relicensing your code bro, this is totally new code bro!"

                                via https://chaos.social/@Foxboron/116170859737134271

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                                @scy@chaos.social nobody cares about licenses anymore anyway

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                                • scy@chaos.socialS scy@chaos.social

                                  Dan Blanchard, maintainer of Python's "chardet" library, used Claude to rewrite the entire project's codebase so that he can switch the license from LGPL to MIT.

                                  Link Preview Image
                                  chardet 7.0: ground-up MIT-licensed rewrite by dan-blanchard · Pull Request #322 · chardet/chardet

                                  Python character encoding detector. Contribute to chardet/chardet development by creating an account on GitHub.

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                                  I highly doubt that this is legal, but who the fuck cares these days anyway, right?

                                  If I was a contributor to that project, I'd tell him in no vague words what I think about shit like that. "No bro, it's totally not relicensing your code bro, this is totally new code bro!"

                                  via https://chaos.social/@Foxboron/116170859737134271

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                                  @scy It's doing great...
                                  https://github.com/chardet/chardet/commit/172aeb2aebf2bd94a78ad7cc0bd1350462232a45

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                                  • scy@chaos.socialS scy@chaos.social

                                    Dan Blanchard, maintainer of Python's "chardet" library, used Claude to rewrite the entire project's codebase so that he can switch the license from LGPL to MIT.

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                                    chardet 7.0: ground-up MIT-licensed rewrite by dan-blanchard · Pull Request #322 · chardet/chardet

                                    Python character encoding detector. Contribute to chardet/chardet development by creating an account on GitHub.

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                                    I highly doubt that this is legal, but who the fuck cares these days anyway, right?

                                    If I was a contributor to that project, I'd tell him in no vague words what I think about shit like that. "No bro, it's totally not relicensing your code bro, this is totally new code bro!"

                                    via https://chaos.social/@Foxboron/116170859737134271

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                                    @scy Woah. What a world.

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                                    • scy@chaos.socialS scy@chaos.social

                                      Dan Blanchard, maintainer of Python's "chardet" library, used Claude to rewrite the entire project's codebase so that he can switch the license from LGPL to MIT.

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                                      chardet 7.0: ground-up MIT-licensed rewrite by dan-blanchard · Pull Request #322 · chardet/chardet

                                      Python character encoding detector. Contribute to chardet/chardet development by creating an account on GitHub.

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                                      I highly doubt that this is legal, but who the fuck cares these days anyway, right?

                                      If I was a contributor to that project, I'd tell him in no vague words what I think about shit like that. "No bro, it's totally not relicensing your code bro, this is totally new code bro!"

                                      via https://chaos.social/@Foxboron/116170859737134271

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                                      @scy Derivative works transformed by AI generate no new copyright--the derivation copyright passes through unchanged from the original. If you tell an AI to rewrite an LGPL library, the result is LGPL with the same rightsholders.

                                      Even with a clean room reimplementation, one could not apply the MIT license, because AI work is unlicensable--anyone can use it however they like, because it's public domain.

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                                      • scy@chaos.socialS scy@chaos.social

                                        Dan Blanchard, maintainer of Python's "chardet" library, used Claude to rewrite the entire project's codebase so that he can switch the license from LGPL to MIT.

                                        Link Preview Image
                                        chardet 7.0: ground-up MIT-licensed rewrite by dan-blanchard · Pull Request #322 · chardet/chardet

                                        Python character encoding detector. Contribute to chardet/chardet development by creating an account on GitHub.

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                                        GitHub (github.com)

                                        I highly doubt that this is legal, but who the fuck cares these days anyway, right?

                                        If I was a contributor to that project, I'd tell him in no vague words what I think about shit like that. "No bro, it's totally not relicensing your code bro, this is totally new code bro!"

                                        via https://chaos.social/@Foxboron/116170859737134271

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                                        @scy Anyone with contributions to the LGPL codebase should file takedown requests with whatever repos this is hosted in and with GitHub.

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                                        • scy@chaos.socialS scy@chaos.social

                                          @NexCarter Da scrollte sogar letztens was an mir vorbei mit irgendnem Chatbot der beim Nachdenken in den Windows-Code geschaut hat iirc, aber ich find's gerade nicht mehr.

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                                          @scy @NexCarter Von Windows gab es eh mehrmals Source Code Leaks, oder?

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