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Oh yeah surely these 30 million will get us ahead of USA who are investing billions instead.

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    Oh yeah surely these 30 million will get us ahead of USA who are investing billions instead.

    I think this is almost 10-times what germany want to invest in AI and hydrogen and quantum computing the next few years.
    Yeah it's not every year but a few millions spread across multiple technologies and multiple years. So go to france I guess

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      Oh yeah surely these 30 million will get us ahead of USA who are investing billions instead.

      I think this is almost 10-times what germany want to invest in AI and hydrogen and quantum computing the next few years.
      Yeah it's not every year but a few millions spread across multiple technologies and multiple years. So go to france I guess

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      Why is this a presidential matter?
      30 million is nothing for technological development.

      just to have a number I looked something up wikipedia quotes an 2007 article where ThyssenKrupp and Siemens are investing "wayy too little" into Transrapid.
      The amount? 300 million euro.
      300 million euro in 2007 before the financial crisis.
      We're talking about 1 project from 2 companies.
      Macron is head of a state and not head of medium-sized company.

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      https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transrapid#cite_note-175

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        Why is this a presidential matter?
        30 million is nothing for technological development.

        just to have a number I looked something up wikipedia quotes an 2007 article where ThyssenKrupp and Siemens are investing "wayy too little" into Transrapid.
        The amount? 300 million euro.
        300 million euro in 2007 before the financial crisis.
        We're talking about 1 project from 2 companies.
        Macron is head of a state and not head of medium-sized company.

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        https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transrapid#cite_note-175

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        Surely the transrapid was a lot more expensive than 300 million euro but I liked this contrast of what a company blows in the wind for a train versus what macron thinks will put france ahead of US.

        Honestly I dislike politicans talking about tech.
        I have the strong impression they have no clue what they are talking about and by meddling with it they make it worse.
        It feels like every time CDU talks about fusion power it gets postponed by a year more

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          Surely the transrapid was a lot more expensive than 300 million euro but I liked this contrast of what a company blows in the wind for a train versus what macron thinks will put france ahead of US.

          Honestly I dislike politicans talking about tech.
          I have the strong impression they have no clue what they are talking about and by meddling with it they make it worse.
          It feels like every time CDU talks about fusion power it gets postponed by a year more

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          I think it's such an engineering strength to just notice what already works well.

          trains? damn efficent.
          don't invent transport that on paper can't beat trains.

          solar, wind, hydropower, co2 turbines, etc? Whoa that's so damn powerful. But no in the media you only hear politicians talk about pipe dreams.
          I guess talking about pipe dreams is cheaper than building infrastructure that works

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            I think it's such an engineering strength to just notice what already works well.

            trains? damn efficent.
            don't invent transport that on paper can't beat trains.

            solar, wind, hydropower, co2 turbines, etc? Whoa that's so damn powerful. But no in the media you only hear politicians talk about pipe dreams.
            I guess talking about pipe dreams is cheaper than building infrastructure that works

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            Don't understand me wrong: we need research.

            But until we have better than solar/wind/... we build that. Don't wait and delay the coal exit.
            Until we have better than trains we build that. Build railway everywhere. And when the hydrogen powered paraglider or whatever that changes everything suddenly exists then we switch from trains to that. But don't delay and wait for some dream tech that never comes

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              Don't understand me wrong: we need research.

              But until we have better than solar/wind/... we build that. Don't wait and delay the coal exit.
              Until we have better than trains we build that. Build railway everywhere. And when the hydrogen powered paraglider or whatever that changes everything suddenly exists then we switch from trains to that. But don't delay and wait for some dream tech that never comes

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              great example:
              hyperloop

              instead of building high speed rail and experiment with hyperloop on the side California opted for the hyperloop.

              And it worked exactly as intended. Elon Musk wrote this was a ploy yo delay railway to sell more cars. It worked for him. It didn't work for those who wanted transport because the hyperloop does not exist and as of writing there are no more companies doing R&D for these vacuum trains (hyperloop is a vacuum train I forgot to mention the idea is old)

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                Oh yeah surely these 30 million will get us ahead of USA who are investing billions instead.

                I think this is almost 10-times what germany want to invest in AI and hydrogen and quantum computing the next few years.
                Yeah it's not every year but a few millions spread across multiple technologies and multiple years. So go to france I guess

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                @saxnot Unfortunately 30 million is really not that much.

                Let's compare that with the IPCEI (Important Projects of Common European Interest) for AI: If you want to become a direct partner in that IPCEI your proposed budget should be at least 50 million. If you try the easier route of becoming an associated partner you should ask for at least 20 million to be considered.

                I recently worked on a proposal for a Horizon Europe project where the proposed budget was around 15 million.

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