the sad truth is, that people don't care about the girls that died, but only about trash talking the US and that's the only reason people talk about them.
-
@noomsh @fun yeah... my feeling is, that many just want to blame the US and Israel for all evil things happening. If any other country would have attacked, they wouldn't even talk about it at all.
And it's sad that those don't even want to reflect on their own racism and anti-semitism, which they show both with this kind of behavior, while calling out "fash" people elsewhere and think they are doing good.
And that makes them also fall for propaganda by the Iranian regime.
@karolherbst @noomsh I mean, the US and Israel aren't the good guys for sure, they've been doing a genocide in Gaza for a long time now.
But the Iranian govt aren't the good guys either.
We should call out *any* and *all* countries doing evil things for sure. I mentioned the US and Israel, but they're clearly not the only evil countries doing evil things. Not being the US or Israel does not give you a free pass to do whatever you want. -
@karolherbst @noomsh I mean, the US and Israel aren't the good guys for sure, they've been doing a genocide in Gaza for a long time now.
But the Iranian govt aren't the good guys either.
We should call out *any* and *all* countries doing evil things for sure. I mentioned the US and Israel, but they're clearly not the only evil countries doing evil things. Not being the US or Israel does not give you a free pass to do whatever you want.@karolherbst @noomsh Everyone is subject to international laws. -
@karolherbst @noomsh I mean, the US and Israel aren't the good guys for sure, they've been doing a genocide in Gaza for a long time now.
But the Iranian govt aren't the good guys either.
We should call out *any* and *all* countries doing evil things for sure. I mentioned the US and Israel, but they're clearly not the only evil countries doing evil things. Not being the US or Israel does not give you a free pass to do whatever you want.@fun @noomsh > We should call out *any* and *all* countries doing evil things for sure.
and how does that help? Hasn't helped so far anywhere besides being virtue signalling.
I've heard from many Iranian people at the start of the war, that the US and Israel attack could finally mean their freedom from the regime.
That's more hope they ever got from us calling out the tyrants on social media.
And some also didn't care if it's an international law violation or not.
-
@fun @noomsh > We should call out *any* and *all* countries doing evil things for sure.
and how does that help? Hasn't helped so far anywhere besides being virtue signalling.
I've heard from many Iranian people at the start of the war, that the US and Israel attack could finally mean their freedom from the regime.
That's more hope they ever got from us calling out the tyrants on social media.
And some also didn't care if it's an international law violation or not.
@karolherbst @noomsh Not calling out the Iran govt for the evil things they do means less people are aware of the iran people's suffering? -
@karolherbst @noomsh Not calling out the Iran govt for the evil things they do means less people are aware of the iran people's suffering?@karolherbst @noomsh and if people don't know, they won't act
-
R relay@relay.infosec.exchange shared this topic
-
@karolherbst @noomsh and if people don't know, they won't act
@fun @noomsh what does that change?
Like people here are aware and governments took "actions". But nothing helped really? Like the people are still suppressed.
And if it comes to immigration, that's kinda a worse issue, so even if we all agree that the Iranian people are really suffering, if at the same time we restrict immigration and asylum, then it's kinda pointless?
Like sure, people should be aware, but awareness on social media won't really help alone.
-
@fun @noomsh what does that change?
Like people here are aware and governments took "actions". But nothing helped really? Like the people are still suppressed.
And if it comes to immigration, that's kinda a worse issue, so even if we all agree that the Iranian people are really suffering, if at the same time we restrict immigration and asylum, then it's kinda pointless?
Like sure, people should be aware, but awareness on social media won't really help alone.
@karolherbst @noomsh do protests in support of the Iranian people and immigration, talk/listen to iranian people, talk about it not just on social media, but also IRL, etc
Awareness isn't the end goal, it's only one step. -
@karolherbst @fun
Iranian here on Mastodon. I mentioned to a lady poet here that Iran is oppressive and evil to its own people. I get called “unvaccinated” and blocked immediately, with no further questions or anything. Like ask how tf I know that?
I have lived the first 19 years of my life inside Iran. I have firsthand experience. But the western progressive “intellectual” can’t hear my voice.
Can’t express how disappointing it is.@noomsh @karolherbst stay safe, if you still live there or know people that still live there
I think your POV matters a lot in better understanding the situation, it's really disappointing to not be heard, especially when people are talking about your country and its oppressive tactics. -
@noomsh @karolherbst stay safe, if you still live there or know people that still live there
I think your POV matters a lot in better understanding the situation, it's really disappointing to not be heard, especially when people are talking about your country and its oppressive tactics.@noomsh @karolherbst it makes literally no sense to silence iranian people when at the same time briefly talking *about* them
like you can't have a voice, a say at what people tell about you -
@noomsh @karolherbst it makes literally no sense to silence iranian people when at the same time briefly talking *about* them
like you can't have a voice, a say at what people tell about you@fun @noomsh it also makes no sense to be condescending towards Iranian people while talking about how Iranian people are supposed to feel and getting told otherwise
and yet here we are...
I don't even think they see it at silencing, they just think that the real evil (that is, the US and Israel) must be fought at all costs and Iran is the secret bulwark against them (literal take I've seen).
Some just have a very twisted understanding of what's going on there.
-
@fun @noomsh it also makes no sense to be condescending towards Iranian people while talking about how Iranian people are supposed to feel and getting told otherwise
and yet here we are...
I don't even think they see it at silencing, they just think that the real evil (that is, the US and Israel) must be fought at all costs and Iran is the secret bulwark against them (literal take I've seen).
Some just have a very twisted understanding of what's going on there.
@fun @noomsh but my point is, it's not our place to tell how Iranian people should feel about any of this and we should just give them the platform to speak for themselves.
And that also includes criticizing the US and Israel in their stead. Iranian people are capable of doing just that themselves if they want to. Some do, some don't.
And all I can really do is to listen and share their voices.
-
@fun @noomsh but my point is, it's not our place to tell how Iranian people should feel about any of this and we should just give them the platform to speak for themselves.
And that also includes criticizing the US and Israel in their stead. Iranian people are capable of doing just that themselves if they want to. Some do, some don't.
And all I can really do is to listen and share their voices.
@karolherbst @noomsh
> And all I can really do is to listen and share their voices.
exactly, that's what we should do -
@karolherbst @noomsh
> And all I can really do is to listen and share their voices.
exactly, that's what we should do@fun @karolherbst
Thank you. I appreciare your approach to this entire thing.
Yes, idk if “being aware” changes anything or tbh, I’ve been trying to figure out what can actually help. But i do think it’s important for truths to be known in general.
And I’m especially annoyed when people call themselves “freedom fighter” or progressive or etc. while completely unable to entertain the idea that islamic republic is evil. -
R relay@relay.an.exchange shared this topic
