PS. With all the Discord stuff, in case you wonder why you never see me promoting Matrix, it’s not because it’s a usability nightmare (which it is) but because it’s made by the kind of people who’d be happy to call ICE a customer.
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@MisuseCase@twit.social @aral@mastodon.ar.al @element@mastodon.matrix.org @precariousmind@neopaquita.es well signal is not something I recommend. After all they use fascist hardware.
@Stomata @aral @element @precariousmind What kind of hardware are you posting from?
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PS. With all the Discord stuff, in case you wonder why you never see me promoting Matrix, it’s not because it’s a usability nightmare (which it is) but because it’s made by the kind of people who’d be happy to call ICE a customer.
The “F” in FOSS doesn’t stand for fascism.
@element https://mastodon.matrix.org/@element/110340953550548309
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@MisuseCase @aral @element Do you have any personal experience of living in other countries than the US and encountering police violence?
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@mpsi
Well then until society can be made to adhere to democratic standards, we shouldn’t support the mechanisms that allow it to suppress resistance and dissent.@freediverx Fight for that, this is the only way.
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@sotolf @LukefromDC @aral @element
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@freediverx @aral @element In which countries, exactly?
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@MisuseCase @aral @element Do you have any personal experience of living in other countries than the US and encountering police violence?
@mpsi @aral @element Ask people in France, where the cops are infamously brutal.
Or the UK, where they’ve been harassing Palestine Action protesters.
Or Canada, where the RCMP brutalizes First Nations people.
Your ignorance about this kind of thing is a YOU problem. Don’t make it out like it it’s a ME problem or the OP’s problem.
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@mpsi @MisuseCase @aral @element
A rapidly shrinking number given the realization that so many of them are effectively vassal states to America.@freediverx @MisuseCase @aral @element The position of the US is rapidly declining, and this is a chance for "vassals" to become actually independent.
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@freediverx @aral @element In which countries, exactly?
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@aral @precariousmind @element Hahaha. So next time I see someone putting down Signal and boosting Matrix, I can say “signal isn’t run by fascist bootlickers.”
@MisuseCase @davidgerard @aral @precariousmind @element Well. Just for the sake of accuracy, matrix foundation includes people from element. They have strong ties. But matrix foundation is at least supposed to be neutral and mostly about the protocol. But it is hard to avoid element in the matrix ecosystem as of yet anyways. So I can see your point.
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@sotolf @LukefromDC @aral @element
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@freediverx @MisuseCase @aral @element The position of the US is rapidly declining, and this is a chance for "vassals" to become actually independent.
@mpsi @MisuseCase @aral @element
One would hope, but I’ve seen little evidence of that so far. Europe is still more scared of China than the US and I think that’s a critical mistake. -
@mpsi @aral @element Ask people in France, where the cops are infamously brutal.
Or the UK, where they’ve been harassing Palestine Action protesters.
Or Canada, where the RCMP brutalizes First Nations people.
Your ignorance about this kind of thing is a YOU problem. Don’t make it out like it it’s a ME problem or the OP’s problem.
@MisuseCase @aral @element Each of these situations is an individual case and it should be solved as such by citizens of the relevant countries. This is how democracy is supposed to work.
The US urgently needs to solve its own crisis. Do that, abolish the police if you think it is a good solution, but please don't interpolate your situation to the rest of the world constantly.
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@MisuseCase @aral @element Each of these situations is an individual case and it should be solved as such by citizens of the relevant countries. This is how democracy is supposed to work.
The US urgently needs to solve its own crisis. Do that, abolish the police if you think it is a good solution, but please don't interpolate your situation to the rest of the world constantly.
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@freediverx @aral @element Police protects capital in countries where the capital equals political power. Can we agree on that?
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@MisuseCase @davidgerard @aral @precariousmind @element Well. Just for the sake of accuracy, matrix foundation includes people from element. They have strong ties. But matrix foundation is at least supposed to be neutral and mostly about the protocol. But it is hard to avoid element in the matrix ecosystem as of yet anyways. So I can see your point.
@prma @davidgerard @aral @precariousmind @element So, I am not clear about all this stuff but Element is a coding platform, right?
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@MisuseCase @aral @element Oh, you don't have any arguments left?
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PS. With all the Discord stuff, in case you wonder why you never see me promoting Matrix, it’s not because it’s a usability nightmare (which it is) but because it’s made by the kind of people who’d be happy to call ICE a customer.
The “F” in FOSS doesn’t stand for fascism.
@element https://mastodon.matrix.org/@element/110340953550548309
@aral@mastodon.ar.al @element@mastodon.matrix.org Meh, at least its open source.. As long as there is no better alternative for the features I'd rather use self-hosted matrix then discord.
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@mpsi @MisuseCase @aral @element
One would hope, but I’ve seen little evidence of that so far. Europe is still more scared of China than the US and I think that’s a critical mistake.@freediverx @mpsi @aral @element Other countries don’t do good things or bad things solely because of America.
Like, Britain being a racist ex-colonial power with a hell of a lot of classism is not due to America, for sure.
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@sotolf @LukefromDC @aral @element
I’m not qualified to answer that question, but given the organization’s philosophical roots, I suspect they made infrastructure decisions based on risk analysis assumptions that may no longer be valid.If that’s the case, perhaps they’re already considering ways to adapt to the changjng political environment.
