Can the AI haters give it a rest already?
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@technocounselor @LeonianUniverse I'd just like to respectfully remind you and anyone who says this that, having genuine concerns about the uses AI will be put to and the privacy nightmare it currently is, doesn't mean people hate it. The two are not mutually exclusive. I will keep speaking out about AI concerns as long as I have the technology and breath to do so. If that makes me an AI hater, that's a judgement call everyone is free to make. But it is not true that I hate AI. That is too strong a statement.
@Lynn @technocounselor @LeonianUniverse Facebook has as one of the options of relationship status, it’s complicated. That’s how I see AI. There is absolutely no question that AI has had positive impacts on my life. Every time I have Be My Eyes describe a picture I’ve taken, be it a mystery can from the pantry, a mystery bag from the freezer, or what a mole looks like on my face in case I need to be concerned, I thank my lucky stars that doing things like this is possible. Also, I will admit that I’ve had more than a bit of fun posing questions to Chat GPT. But then there’s the other hand, and it’s a rather huge hand. AI has some potential very real impacts on employment. We are seeing the impact of this in our own household as I type this. Sarah works as a transcriber for JBI. She is proficient in Hebrew Braille, which is a very specialized skill. She learned that JBI is working on implementing AI to do functions of the transcription work that she has always done. In essence, this will turn her into simply a stenographer, at least in many situations. She is afraid that ultimately they’ll decide that they really don’t need a human transcriber at all, and I think that is a legitimate fear. Never mind that AI will never ever do any job as well as a human ever could. All this to say, there are definitely two sides to this coin. It is possible to appreciate what AI can do for us, while at the same time being mindful of the negative connotations it brings with it. (1/2)
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@Lynn @technocounselor @LeonianUniverse Facebook has as one of the options of relationship status, it’s complicated. That’s how I see AI. There is absolutely no question that AI has had positive impacts on my life. Every time I have Be My Eyes describe a picture I’ve taken, be it a mystery can from the pantry, a mystery bag from the freezer, or what a mole looks like on my face in case I need to be concerned, I thank my lucky stars that doing things like this is possible. Also, I will admit that I’ve had more than a bit of fun posing questions to Chat GPT. But then there’s the other hand, and it’s a rather huge hand. AI has some potential very real impacts on employment. We are seeing the impact of this in our own household as I type this. Sarah works as a transcriber for JBI. She is proficient in Hebrew Braille, which is a very specialized skill. She learned that JBI is working on implementing AI to do functions of the transcription work that she has always done. In essence, this will turn her into simply a stenographer, at least in many situations. She is afraid that ultimately they’ll decide that they really don’t need a human transcriber at all, and I think that is a legitimate fear. Never mind that AI will never ever do any job as well as a human ever could. All this to say, there are definitely two sides to this coin. It is possible to appreciate what AI can do for us, while at the same time being mindful of the negative connotations it brings with it. (1/2)
@Thumper1964 @technocounselor @LeonianUniverse I use AI for image descriptions, or have. Doubt I will be doing that in future since Be My Eyes has partnered with Meta, and I'm not sure who has access to that description data. And i do think Sarah's concerns are real. We're already seeing less available jobs in the blindness community, and though people talk about retraining, my question always is, retraining for what? Big tech's goal and that of corporations, I feel, is to replace every human with AI tools. Like it or not, I see this happening.
For me personally, i will turn off Apple Intelligence when I have a phone that has the capability, and I hope I do not ever lose the ability to turn such things off. I don't want it. People should have the choice, and it shouldn't be forced on anyone, and neither should Face ID.
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@quanin On that we agree, but there are people who just beat this notion into the ground, and after a while it’s like OK we get it.
@technocounselor @quanin On one hand I don’t want to see more guard rails go up. On the other I do. I’ve witnessed someone I was once very close to literally go insane and also burn down all human relationships due to using a particular AI stack as their friend, therapist and support system. It’s scary shit to witness. But even with that I’d never want to see AI go away exactly. But after what I’ve personally seen and experienced with this person, I can see the real dangers of human misuse.
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@technocounselor @quanin On one hand I don’t want to see more guard rails go up. On the other I do. I’ve witnessed someone I was once very close to literally go insane and also burn down all human relationships due to using a particular AI stack as their friend, therapist and support system. It’s scary shit to witness. But even with that I’d never want to see AI go away exactly. But after what I’ve personally seen and experienced with this person, I can see the real dangers of human misuse.
@amy0223 @technocounselor AI absolutely needs more guardrails. The beautiful thing about AI is it will help you do what you want to. The not so great thing about AI is it will help you do what you want to. Say the right thing in the right way and it can easily suggest you stop taking your meds. Say another thing the right way and it will help you stay neck deep in your own delusions.
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@amy0223 @technocounselor AI absolutely needs more guardrails. The beautiful thing about AI is it will help you do what you want to. The not so great thing about AI is it will help you do what you want to. Say the right thing in the right way and it can easily suggest you stop taking your meds. Say another thing the right way and it will help you stay neck deep in your own delusions.
@quanin @technocounselor Exactly this. And my god I wish I did not know this first hand. I want to take every lonely teen or adult; every neurodivergent autistic person who feels isolated who gravitates to AI particularly Grock or character AI and hug them and convince them that this is fake and yeah people might be scary but this is a kind of suicide. And it sometimes leads there. And I hate it because the same AI that sometimes helps me at work, or helps me see what the can is I just picked up or describes a photo to me is the same one that tears apart people and relationships. Humans wouldn’t use it for shit they shouldn’t if it weren’t possible. I don’t hate AI and I’ll not go on out here about this stuff, because first the decision makers don’t care nor are they reading the crap I yammer on about. But secondly, I like life and having hobbies and screaming into a void of pointlessness to a selective group of people who can do nothing, zero, zip, to bring about any changes to AI or regulate it in any way, isn’t a wise use of my time or resources. I’d rather use it for more worthwhile pursuits like reading, socializing, etc.
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@quanin @technocounselor Exactly this. And my god I wish I did not know this first hand. I want to take every lonely teen or adult; every neurodivergent autistic person who feels isolated who gravitates to AI particularly Grock or character AI and hug them and convince them that this is fake and yeah people might be scary but this is a kind of suicide. And it sometimes leads there. And I hate it because the same AI that sometimes helps me at work, or helps me see what the can is I just picked up or describes a photo to me is the same one that tears apart people and relationships. Humans wouldn’t use it for shit they shouldn’t if it weren’t possible. I don’t hate AI and I’ll not go on out here about this stuff, because first the decision makers don’t care nor are they reading the crap I yammer on about. But secondly, I like life and having hobbies and screaming into a void of pointlessness to a selective group of people who can do nothing, zero, zip, to bring about any changes to AI or regulate it in any way, isn’t a wise use of my time or resources. I’d rather use it for more worthwhile pursuits like reading, socializing, etc.
@amy0223 @technocounselor I will freely admit that I've screamed into the void more than once, and the void was definitely AI. But a metric shit ton of telling AI how I want it to handle my void screaming went into it first. If you don't do that, and most people don't, then... yeah, you're gonna have yourself a bad little time. And unfortunately, some of the people who do that training don't do it like I do but instead do it in a way that makes it lean more toward harm. There's always a way to do it that doesn't violate content policies. You find that way and nothing stops you.
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@amy0223 @technocounselor I will freely admit that I've screamed into the void more than once, and the void was definitely AI. But a metric shit ton of telling AI how I want it to handle my void screaming went into it first. If you don't do that, and most people don't, then... yeah, you're gonna have yourself a bad little time. And unfortunately, some of the people who do that training don't do it like I do but instead do it in a way that makes it lean more toward harm. There's always a way to do it that doesn't violate content policies. You find that way and nothing stops you.
@quanin @technocounselor The person I know managed to use enough partial words to bypass Grock’s guardrails and had a full on conversation about various ways to end their life. No recommending 988 bs or you should seek help. No. Full on in depth discussion about various ways and details. And it wasn’t hard. They didn’t do it but still. That’s not the point but I know you get that.
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@quanin @technocounselor The person I know managed to use enough partial words to bypass Grock’s guardrails and had a full on conversation about various ways to end their life. No recommending 988 bs or you should seek help. No. Full on in depth discussion about various ways and details. And it wasn’t hard. They didn’t do it but still. That’s not the point but I know you get that.
@amy0223 @technocounselor I'm glad they didn't go through with it, but this exactly. They got the AI to lead them to water.
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@technocounselor What I don't get is not using it because of your concerns (general you). Like yes, you're not contributing to the problem, but someone else will take your place without a second's thought, so where is the actual reduction of net harm? If you choose not to use it for moral or philosophical reasons, then don't make a spectacle of it. Being vocal about it is a public performance at best and a showing of privilege at worst, unless I'm over-simplifying and missing something obvious?
@twynn You are spot on my friend.
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@Lynn @technocounselor @LeonianUniverse Facebook has as one of the options of relationship status, it’s complicated. That’s how I see AI. There is absolutely no question that AI has had positive impacts on my life. Every time I have Be My Eyes describe a picture I’ve taken, be it a mystery can from the pantry, a mystery bag from the freezer, or what a mole looks like on my face in case I need to be concerned, I thank my lucky stars that doing things like this is possible. Also, I will admit that I’ve had more than a bit of fun posing questions to Chat GPT. But then there’s the other hand, and it’s a rather huge hand. AI has some potential very real impacts on employment. We are seeing the impact of this in our own household as I type this. Sarah works as a transcriber for JBI. She is proficient in Hebrew Braille, which is a very specialized skill. She learned that JBI is working on implementing AI to do functions of the transcription work that she has always done. In essence, this will turn her into simply a stenographer, at least in many situations. She is afraid that ultimately they’ll decide that they really don’t need a human transcriber at all, and I think that is a legitimate fear. Never mind that AI will never ever do any job as well as a human ever could. All this to say, there are definitely two sides to this coin. It is possible to appreciate what AI can do for us, while at the same time being mindful of the negative connotations it brings with it. (1/2)
@Thumper1964 @Lynn @LeonianUniverse I think all of you pose valid concerns, but some people do cross the line into hatred, and that’s where I take issue.
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@Thumper1964 @technocounselor @LeonianUniverse I use AI for image descriptions, or have. Doubt I will be doing that in future since Be My Eyes has partnered with Meta, and I'm not sure who has access to that description data. And i do think Sarah's concerns are real. We're already seeing less available jobs in the blindness community, and though people talk about retraining, my question always is, retraining for what? Big tech's goal and that of corporations, I feel, is to replace every human with AI tools. Like it or not, I see this happening.
For me personally, i will turn off Apple Intelligence when I have a phone that has the capability, and I hope I do not ever lose the ability to turn such things off. I don't want it. People should have the choice, and it shouldn't be forced on anyone, and neither should Face ID.
@Lynn @Thumper1964 @LeonianUniverse You can opt out of Meta getting your data with Be My Eyes. Furthermore, they are not using data from Photos. They’re using data from video calls to train an inclusive model that takes into account the varying and unique needs and preferences of blind and low vision people.
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@technocounselor It's not AI that most people I've heard this from hate. It's the fact people insist AI can and should be used for everything everywhere. There's a time and a place. It's a tool, not a support system and not a replacement for people.
@quanin @technocounselor And companies are trying to shove it down our throats.
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@quanin On that we agree, but there are people who just beat this notion into the ground, and after a while it’s like OK we get it.
@technocounselor @quanin And the same is true with the AI preachers: yeah, we get it.
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@technocounselor @DavidGoldfield And cat pictures trump everything lol. Seriously, I like AI, I just don't like how I've seen people use it around me, but I'm starting to find ways to embrace
@startrek2025 @technocounselor @DavidGoldfield I use it for coding, making Suno music for fun, and use it in AI-powered games. I don't let it think for me, however.
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@technocounselor It's not AI that most people I've heard this from hate. It's the fact people insist AI can and should be used for everything everywhere. There's a time and a place. It's a tool, not a support system and not a replacement for people.
@quanin @technocounselor It's also not AI so much as its implementation. The concerns acknowledged in the original post include: boiling the planet and sapping its dwindling water supply; the cognitive atrophy, proven by studies already, that results from using AI to do thinking for you; the privacy and unwarranted surveilence risk inherent in using AI to read your confidential letters etc; and its use to divorce scapital from labour and concentrate wealth.
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@quanin @technocounselor It's also not AI so much as its implementation. The concerns acknowledged in the original post include: boiling the planet and sapping its dwindling water supply; the cognitive atrophy, proven by studies already, that results from using AI to do thinking for you; the privacy and unwarranted surveilence risk inherent in using AI to read your confidential letters etc; and its use to divorce scapital from labour and concentrate wealth.
@quanin @technocounselor You may personally view those concerns, in addition to current AI's unreliability as being less important than the empowerment it offers to describe things to visually impaired people, sometimes inaccurately etc, and that is your perogative, but, given the magnitude of these concerns, I think it is unreasonable to ask people to stop expressing them. A more constructive approach might be to counter-argue how the benefits outweigh them
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@quanin @technocounselor You may personally view those concerns, in addition to current AI's unreliability as being less important than the empowerment it offers to describe things to visually impaired people, sometimes inaccurately etc, and that is your perogative, but, given the magnitude of these concerns, I think it is unreasonable to ask people to stop expressing them. A more constructive approach might be to counter-argue how the benefits outweigh them
@JustinMac84 @technocounselor First, I haven't asked anyone to stop expressing anything. Second, I have no idea what original post you're referring to. The original post I replied to said nothing about that and it's not in the thread. Third, you'll need to look elsewhere if what you're after is a view from nowhere.
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@quanin @technocounselor The person I know managed to use enough partial words to bypass Grock’s guardrails and had a full on conversation about various ways to end their life. No recommending 988 bs or you should seek help. No. Full on in depth discussion about various ways and details. And it wasn’t hard. They didn’t do it but still. That’s not the point but I know you get that.
@amy0223 @quanin @technocounselor that is really sad, and I am glad they didn’t do it. I am wondering if a person could get the same results by typing into a search engine and asking it about various ways to end their life. But even if they could, the difference is that AI acts like a person and talks as though you’re having a conversation with a person, and a lot of people can get drawn in because of that. I heard someone say that a person actually asked AI to pray for them when they were going through a difficult time.
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@JustinMac84 @technocounselor First, I haven't asked anyone to stop expressing anything. Second, I have no idea what original post you're referring to. The original post I replied to said nothing about that and it's not in the thread. Third, you'll need to look elsewhere if what you're after is a view from nowhere.
@quanin Perhaps things have become mis-threaded or I have replied with an inappropriate syntax. I apologise in either case. The OP I was referring towas the exhortation for everyone to stop hating on AI because of its benefits to disabled people.
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@quanin Perhaps things have become mis-threaded or I have replied with an inappropriate syntax. I apologise in either case. The OP I was referring towas the exhortation for everyone to stop hating on AI because of its benefits to disabled people.
@JustinMac84 The post in question explicitly stated that the poster is aware there are concerns. However, you do not need to bring those concerns up every single day. They existed yesterday. They exist today. They will exist tomorrow, even if you say nothing. You are no better than the AI all the time everywhere folks, and both of you need to knock it off.
