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Tech bros think using AI is fine even though it regularly make mistakes, some of them catastrophic, because _tech bros_ regularly make mistakes, some of them catastrophic

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  • jik@federate.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    Tech bros think using AI is fine even though it regularly make mistakes, some of them catastrophic, because _tech bros_ regularly make mistakes, some of them catastrophic.
    Why shouldn't "Move fast and break things" apply to AIs too?
    Some of us have been trying all along to preserve the early ethos that programming is fine craftsmanship and quality is key. We've been fighting the tendency toward "good enough" since decades before ChatGPT.
    It's been a losing battle.
    #AI #programming #tech

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      Tech bros think using AI is fine even though it regularly make mistakes, some of them catastrophic, because _tech bros_ regularly make mistakes, some of them catastrophic.
      Why shouldn't "Move fast and break things" apply to AIs too?
      Some of us have been trying all along to preserve the early ethos that programming is fine craftsmanship and quality is key. We've been fighting the tendency toward "good enough" since decades before ChatGPT.
      It's been a losing battle.
      #AI #programming #tech

      lazyb0y@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
      lazyb0y@mastodon.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
      lazyb0y@mastodon.social
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      #2

      @jik
      so true. so sad.

      feel too that this fight for doing things properly instead of just slightly good enough so they dont go up in flames for that totally unrealistic demo once for 10min is lost a million times each day 😞

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        Tech bros think using AI is fine even though it regularly make mistakes, some of them catastrophic, because _tech bros_ regularly make mistakes, some of them catastrophic.
        Why shouldn't "Move fast and break things" apply to AIs too?
        Some of us have been trying all along to preserve the early ethos that programming is fine craftsmanship and quality is key. We've been fighting the tendency toward "good enough" since decades before ChatGPT.
        It's been a losing battle.
        #AI #programming #tech

        401matthall@mastodon.xyz4 This user is from outside of this forum
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        @jik

        Hear, hear.

        Just because a Rube Goldberg machine _can_ do the job doesn't mean it _should_ do the job.

        ❤

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        • jik@federate.socialJ jik@federate.social

          Tech bros think using AI is fine even though it regularly make mistakes, some of them catastrophic, because _tech bros_ regularly make mistakes, some of them catastrophic.
          Why shouldn't "Move fast and break things" apply to AIs too?
          Some of us have been trying all along to preserve the early ethos that programming is fine craftsmanship and quality is key. We've been fighting the tendency toward "good enough" since decades before ChatGPT.
          It's been a losing battle.
          #AI #programming #tech

          jik@federate.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
          jik@federate.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          Tech entrepreneurs aren't rewarded for _good_ tech, they're rewarded for tech that creates the biggest splash, "disrupts" the most, or extracts the most money. None of these have anything to do with quality or getting details right.

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            Tech entrepreneurs aren't rewarded for _good_ tech, they're rewarded for tech that creates the biggest splash, "disrupts" the most, or extracts the most money. None of these have anything to do with quality or getting details right.

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            @jik Nonprofits have to cater to a craving for new shiny objects from funders as well.

            Putting the word “maintenance” in a grant application is a bad idea when applying for money from some foundations and governments.

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              Tech entrepreneurs aren't rewarded for _good_ tech, they're rewarded for tech that creates the biggest splash, "disrupts" the most, or extracts the most money. None of these have anything to do with quality or getting details right.

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              It seems like perhaps what the AI bros don't understand is that the difference between people who don't care about making big mistakes and AIs who _can't_ care about making big mistakes is that the AIs can do it several orders of magnitude faster, and therefore the potential for harm is several orders of magnitude greater.
              Because capital controls the world, we're all going to suffer through the inevitable outcome of that lack of understanding.

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                Tech entrepreneurs aren't rewarded for _good_ tech, they're rewarded for tech that creates the biggest splash, "disrupts" the most, or extracts the most money. None of these have anything to do with quality or getting details right.

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                @jik In making it in the fine arts, advice I've seen is: you either get good at Promotion or production, or if you're blessed with enough time, both. Much of the art world (and then by extension other parts of society) make much more sense when you look at which baskets people choose to fill.

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                • jik@federate.socialJ jik@federate.social

                  It seems like perhaps what the AI bros don't understand is that the difference between people who don't care about making big mistakes and AIs who _can't_ care about making big mistakes is that the AIs can do it several orders of magnitude faster, and therefore the potential for harm is several orders of magnitude greater.
                  Because capital controls the world, we're all going to suffer through the inevitable outcome of that lack of understanding.

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                  If you don't believe me because I'm just some shmoe (though a shmoe who has a pretty good track record of accurately predicting disasters over the objections of people accusing me of fear-mongering), maybe you'll believe the AI safety researchers saying "the world is in peril":
                  https://globalnews.ca/news/11664538/anthropic-ai-safety-researcher-mrinank-sharma-quits-concerns/
                  (h/t @Em0nM4stodon)

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                    If you don't believe me because I'm just some shmoe (though a shmoe who has a pretty good track record of accurately predicting disasters over the objections of people accusing me of fear-mongering), maybe you'll believe the AI safety researchers saying "the world is in peril":
                    https://globalnews.ca/news/11664538/anthropic-ai-safety-researcher-mrinank-sharma-quits-concerns/
                    (h/t @Em0nM4stodon)

                    jik@federate.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    In closing,

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