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Hrmm due to filling up my database allocation I have had to increase my Masto

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  • steve@mastodon.nexusuk.orgS steve@mastodon.nexusuk.org

    @bloor @ben @wishy @dtl I believe Docker is for a similar purpose to AutoTools. I.e. to make simple stuff go wrong in complex un-debuggable ways. 🙂

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    @steve @bloor @ben @dtl in the case of masto, I would say the ruby setup is a bit of a pain. Docker just gives you a pre built image which largely just works

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    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

      @bloor @ben @wishy @dtl

      Sure!

      Personally, I am not using a VM, although there may be some value to that. I dedicated the whole machine to Mastodon, but then I, erm, use it rather a lot!

      So just a normal Debian installation for me.

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      @bloor @ben @wishy @neil I'm interested in how you keep it segmented from the rest of your network.

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      • dtl@8bitorbust.infoD dtl@8bitorbust.info

        @bloor @ben @wishy @neil I'm interested in how you keep it segmented from the rest of your network.

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        @dtl @bloor @ben @wishy

        It is on its own VLAN, plus ingress and egress firewalling.

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        • dtl@8bitorbust.infoD dtl@8bitorbust.info

          @bloor @ben @wishy @neil I'm interested in how you keep it segmented from the rest of your network.

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          @dtl @ben @wishy @neil separate IP block, separate VLAN maybe separate machine or maybe different VLANs to different VMs

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          • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

            @dtl @bloor @ben @wishy

            It is on its own VLAN, plus ingress and egress firewalling.

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            @neil @dtl @bloor @wishy Similar here, it's in its own segment - my firewall has multiple NICs so hangs off one of those.

            I gave that segment its own IPv6 subnet, so if there ever was an issue, I'll be able to see at a glance whether it was our LAN or the masto box (less so for ipv4 though because NAT)

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            • wishy@tooter.wishy.co.ukW wishy@tooter.wishy.co.uk

              @steve @bloor @ben @dtl in the case of masto, I would say the ruby setup is a bit of a pain. Docker just gives you a pre built image which largely just works

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              @wishy @bloor @ben @dtl I am put off by Docker because even though set up is easier, when it goes wrong I find it so much harder to debug. I use 2 Docker things (VWsFriend and HomeAssistant) and I pray they never break!

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              • steve@mastodon.nexusuk.orgS steve@mastodon.nexusuk.org

                @wishy @bloor @ben @dtl I am put off by Docker because even though set up is easier, when it goes wrong I find it so much harder to debug. I use 2 Docker things (VWsFriend and HomeAssistant) and I pray they never break!

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                @steve @wishy @bloor @dtl Yeah that's fair

                I remember nearly going to war with engineering because they wanted to start shipping software to us (ops) as docker images solely because it made deployment easier for them.

                I get on very well with containers nowadays (didnt have much choice when I started owning a SaaS product running on k8s), but (if I was still there) I think I'd still make the same arguments against them driving the CDN

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                • bloor@bloor.twB bloor@bloor.tw

                  @ben @wishy @dtl see .. I have never used docker and have no idea how to use it or even really what it’s for…

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                  @bloor @ben @wishy @dtl sadly docker is probably the worst implementation of the container concept, but it useful in the modern world, even if it shouldn't be. podman is saner in many respects. It's also worth playing with "full system" containers via e.g. systemd-nspawn - they might make more sense if you're used to VMs, and it uses the same kernel features as application containers, so it's a good way of getting experience with those.

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                  • bloor@bloor.twB bloor@bloor.tw

                    @ben @wishy @dtl see .. I have never used docker and have no idea how to use it or even really what it’s for…

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                    @bloor@bloor.tw

                    Have you looked at snac2? https://codeberg.org/grunfink/snac2

                    In C, no dependencies, uses small files instead of a DB. make; make install works for everything I need from a single user instance.

                    The old UNIX spirit is still alive there
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                    • david@social.grelli.orgD david@social.grelli.org
                      @bloor@bloor.tw

                      Have you looked at snac2? https://codeberg.org/grunfink/snac2

                      In C, no dependencies, uses small files instead of a DB. make; make install works for everything I need from a single user instance.

                      The old UNIX spirit is still alive there
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                      @david Ignorant question: is activtypub another word for mastodon? If not, I'm not sure what this is!

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                      • bloor@bloor.twB bloor@bloor.tw

                        Hrmm due to filling up my database allocation I have had to increase my Masto.Host subscription to $29 a month. Which for what it is is fine value. But is still a fair bit more than I ever ment to be paying for a social media thingy. I'm back to pondering going self-hosted.

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                        It’s worse than I thought. I don’t blame Masto.host for this, but everywhere on their site it said 29 dollars. But now the email has come through from what I assume/guess is the payment processor it’s actually $34.80, I assume due to VAT that hasn’t been properly indicated at earlier stages. So I am paying £25.82 a month (at current exchange rates) to be on mastodon with my own instance.

                        That really does feel expensive.

                        Again, not criticising Masto.host.

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                        • bloor@bloor.twB bloor@bloor.tw

                          It’s worse than I thought. I don’t blame Masto.host for this, but everywhere on their site it said 29 dollars. But now the email has come through from what I assume/guess is the payment processor it’s actually $34.80, I assume due to VAT that hasn’t been properly indicated at earlier stages. So I am paying £25.82 a month (at current exchange rates) to be on mastodon with my own instance.

                          That really does feel expensive.

                          Again, not criticising Masto.host.

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                          @bloor are you using a lot of media storage. The VM I am self hosting on is 2 core 8Gb ram and 32Gb disk. That includes media store and database and OS.

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                          • bloor@bloor.twB bloor@bloor.tw

                            It’s worse than I thought. I don’t blame Masto.host for this, but everywhere on their site it said 29 dollars. But now the email has come through from what I assume/guess is the payment processor it’s actually $34.80, I assume due to VAT that hasn’t been properly indicated at earlier stages. So I am paying £25.82 a month (at current exchange rates) to be on mastodon with my own instance.

                            That really does feel expensive.

                            Again, not criticising Masto.host.

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                            @bloor I can share with you the script that I run to purge my instance (daily), but I don't know if one can use it with masto.host (or if you would want to)?

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                            • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                              @bloor I can share with you the script that I run to purge my instance (daily), but I don't know if one can use it with masto.host (or if you would want to)?

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                              @neil one of the things I really valued about Twitter and miss about (current setup) of mastodon was the longevity of stuff. Someone could search on Twitter and find a tweet I did about some obscure topic 3 years before. Mastodon lacks that, kind-of. But with elastic search I could at least semi get it back for myself searching my own tweets.

                              I don’t think I’d want to auto purge but I fully understand why some folks might do.

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                              • bloor@bloor.twB bloor@bloor.tw

                                @neil one of the things I really valued about Twitter and miss about (current setup) of mastodon was the longevity of stuff. Someone could search on Twitter and find a tweet I did about some obscure topic 3 years before. Mastodon lacks that, kind-of. But with elastic search I could at least semi get it back for myself searching my own tweets.

                                I don’t think I’d want to auto purge but I fully understand why some folks might do.

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                                @neil as a recent example of this, someone here recently asked about my desktop (the wooden one, not the electronic one) and I was able to manually scroll back through media posted and re-reference a bunch of photo toots from when I was building my main computer desk.

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                                • bloor@bloor.twB bloor@bloor.tw

                                  @neil as a recent example of this, someone here recently asked about my desktop (the wooden one, not the electronic one) and I was able to manually scroll back through media posted and re-reference a bunch of photo toots from when I was building my main computer desk.

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                                  @neil here’s the toot :

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                                  Under Maintenance

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                                  (bloor.tw)

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                                  • bloor@bloor.twB bloor@bloor.tw

                                    @neil one of the things I really valued about Twitter and miss about (current setup) of mastodon was the longevity of stuff. Someone could search on Twitter and find a tweet I did about some obscure topic 3 years before. Mastodon lacks that, kind-of. But with elastic search I could at least semi get it back for myself searching my own tweets.

                                    I don’t think I’d want to auto purge but I fully understand why some folks might do.

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                                    @bloor Yes, completely understandable.

                                    For me, this is a transient thing (although I can't stop others making comments), and my blog is for things that I want to persist.

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                                    • bloor@bloor.twB bloor@bloor.tw

                                      @david Ignorant question: is activtypub another word for mastodon? If not, I'm not sure what this is!

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                                      @bloor@bloor.tw
                                      Activitypub is the open protocol in the background.
                                      Mastodon is one of many different more or less interoperable applications built on top of it. Snac2 is another one.

                                      There are minor differences in what they each provide on top of activitypub, but snac provides a mastodon compatible web API, so that you can use all the usual mastodon clients to interact with it.

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                                      • bloor@bloor.twB bloor@bloor.tw

                                        It’s worse than I thought. I don’t blame Masto.host for this, but everywhere on their site it said 29 dollars. But now the email has come through from what I assume/guess is the payment processor it’s actually $34.80, I assume due to VAT that hasn’t been properly indicated at earlier stages. So I am paying £25.82 a month (at current exchange rates) to be on mastodon with my own instance.

                                        That really does feel expensive.

                                        Again, not criticising Masto.host.

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                                        @bloor ouch. I went for cheap VPS hosting for my microblog instance (@gadgetoid@mastodon.gadgetoid.com ) and self hosting has been its own adventure. Mastodon is complicated and unwieldy and trying to regenerate static assets will knock out my server so I have a local staging copy just for that. And then there’s the hassle of backups. I’m sure there are solutions involving money and time but I don’t want a second job running a mastodon server. £25/month to avoid that is…. tempting.

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                                        • david@social.grelli.orgD david@social.grelli.org
                                          @bloor@bloor.tw
                                          Activitypub is the open protocol in the background.
                                          Mastodon is one of many different more or less interoperable applications built on top of it. Snac2 is another one.

                                          There are minor differences in what they each provide on top of activitypub, but snac provides a mastodon compatible web API, so that you can use all the usual mastodon clients to interact with it.

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                                          @bloor@bloor.tw

                                          My social.grelli.org runs on snac

                                          @stefano@bsd.cafe
                                          runs fedimeteo with weather forecast accounts for the whole world on snac from a 5EUR/month VPS

                                          As a happy client of the place you work at, and it's philosophy, I'm quite sure you'll like snac. 🙂
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