Also, given recent events: I know that Matrix is far from perfect but please fedi for a brief moment can we stop constantly hating it publicly???
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Also, given recent events: I know that Matrix is far from perfect but please fedi for a brief moment can we stop constantly hating it publicly???
While every (open) option for a platform to move to is a mess, Matrix is probably the least terrible option for people who have been using Discord.
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Also, given recent events: I know that Matrix is far from perfect but please fedi for a brief moment can we stop constantly hating it publicly???
While every (open) option for a platform to move to is a mess, Matrix is probably the least terrible option for people who have been using Discord.
@hexaheximal it would be easier to do this if everything matrix-related wasn't so constantly broken -
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@hexaheximal it would be easier to do this if everything matrix-related wasn't so constantly broken
@noisytoot From my experience, the issues haven't even been with Matrix but rather the official implementations. I don't use Element anymore, nor do I use Synapse anymore... and the problems just went away for me.
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@noisytoot From my experience, the issues haven't even been with Matrix but rather the official implementations. I don't use Element anymore, nor do I use Synapse anymore... and the problems just went away for me.
@hexaheximal@mstdn.social I use Nheko and Conduit and I have had plenty of problems. For instance:
- Currently I can't see any quotes in Nheko
- Nheko sometimes does
[crypto] [critical] failed to restore olm account: unpickle: BAD_ACCOUNT_KEYand loses its OLM keys - E2EE is always broken and I cannot get Nheko and Element to verify each other
- Heisenbridge can't get displaynames for non-local users after they've joined so all displaynames appear to IRC-bridged users as an empty string unless they joined since the bridge restarted
- Sometimes room/space joins appear take too long/appear to never happen and you need to restart the client or re-log-in due to a race condition in the database of conduit derivatives (I also had this issue with Cinny and Continuwuity on bundernet.org)
- Messages taking 10+ minutes to arrive sometimes
- Conduit sometimes starts taking 10+ minutes to respond to requests so they time out and it needs to be restarted
- Conduit/RocksDB generally uses too much RAM (multiple gigabytes, compared to prosody which is using only a few megabytes)
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@hexaheximal@mstdn.social I use Nheko and Conduit and I have had plenty of problems. For instance:
- Currently I can't see any quotes in Nheko
- Nheko sometimes does
[crypto] [critical] failed to restore olm account: unpickle: BAD_ACCOUNT_KEYand loses its OLM keys - E2EE is always broken and I cannot get Nheko and Element to verify each other
- Heisenbridge can't get displaynames for non-local users after they've joined so all displaynames appear to IRC-bridged users as an empty string unless they joined since the bridge restarted
- Sometimes room/space joins appear take too long/appear to never happen and you need to restart the client or re-log-in due to a race condition in the database of conduit derivatives (I also had this issue with Cinny and Continuwuity on bundernet.org)
- Messages taking 10+ minutes to arrive sometimes
- Conduit sometimes starts taking 10+ minutes to respond to requests so they time out and it needs to be restarted
- Conduit/RocksDB generally uses too much RAM (multiple gigabytes, compared to prosody which is using only a few megabytes)
@noisytoot That's honestly quite odd. I use a lot of the same things but just don't have those issues.
Although, notable exception: Joining rooms being broken and getting stuck on loading. That is a problem that I have been *constantly* dealing with. Invites are also similarly broken.
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@noisytoot That's honestly quite odd. I use a lot of the same things but just don't have those issues.
Although, notable exception: Joining rooms being broken and getting stuck on loading. That is a problem that I have been *constantly* dealing with. Invites are also similarly broken.
@noisytoot Despite that though, from what I have seen I do believe that continuwuity is doing a really good job of making Matrix at least slightly less of a mess - it's *certainly* better than Synapse.
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@noisytoot Despite that though, from what I have seen I do believe that continuwuity is doing a really good job of making Matrix at least slightly less of a mess - it's *certainly* better than Synapse.
@noisytoot I also remember trying out Dendrite years ago, but it seems to be basically dead now.
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Also, given recent events: I know that Matrix is far from perfect but please fedi for a brief moment can we stop constantly hating it publicly???
While every (open) option for a platform to move to is a mess, Matrix is probably the least terrible option for people who have been using Discord.
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Also, given recent events: I know that Matrix is far from perfect but please fedi for a brief moment can we stop constantly hating it publicly???
While every (open) option for a platform to move to is a mess, Matrix is probably the least terrible option for people who have been using Discord.
How's matrix's moderation tools?
There's someone who likes posting gore to public matrix and xmpp channels, some of the most maintained xmpp clients implemented some moderation tools where an admin can delete individual posts or everything from some account.
It unfortunately only works with some clients, but I pretty quickly learned to switch to the clients that do support moderation.
I thought matrix uses a blockchain/git like synchronization algorithm, so I think deleting messages is harder to do.
(Though on the plus side, If you want the message history it does get synced between servers and rooms can stay up if one server goes down.)
For what it's worth, I kind of think from the xmpp space the client that's got the best chance to be called discord like is movim.
Movim – Responsive web-based cross-platform XMPP client
Movim is a kickass distributed blogging and messaging platform built on the industry-standard XMPP protocol
(movim.eu)
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How's matrix's moderation tools?
There's someone who likes posting gore to public matrix and xmpp channels, some of the most maintained xmpp clients implemented some moderation tools where an admin can delete individual posts or everything from some account.
It unfortunately only works with some clients, but I pretty quickly learned to switch to the clients that do support moderation.
I thought matrix uses a blockchain/git like synchronization algorithm, so I think deleting messages is harder to do.
(Though on the plus side, If you want the message history it does get synced between servers and rooms can stay up if one server goes down.)
For what it's worth, I kind of think from the xmpp space the client that's got the best chance to be called discord like is movim.
Movim – Responsive web-based cross-platform XMPP client
Movim is a kickass distributed blogging and messaging platform built on the industry-standard XMPP protocol
(movim.eu)
And to make things more confusing apparently someone figured out how to add voice chat to IRC.
Diane (@alienghic@timeloop.cafe)
IRC voice channels, wait what? I know there's been work on implementing some of the discord/slack bling in IRC, like emoji, replies, and editing, but voice channels? I just saw voice channels mentioned on the side bar of a screenshot of this web IRC client. https://github.com/ObsidianIRC/ObsidianIRC And the draft IRC 3 spec's abstract says "This document describes version 3 of the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) protocol, which extends the original IRC protocol to include support for audio and video capabilities. It defines new message types, commands, and channel modes that allow for the transmission of audio and video data within the existing IRC framework, while maintaining backward compatibility with text-only clients and servers." https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-samuelson-irc-v3-00.html
the Timeloop Café (timeloop.cafe)
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@hexaheximal@mstdn.social I use Nheko and Conduit and I have had plenty of problems. For instance:
- Currently I can't see any quotes in Nheko
- Nheko sometimes does
[crypto] [critical] failed to restore olm account: unpickle: BAD_ACCOUNT_KEYand loses its OLM keys - E2EE is always broken and I cannot get Nheko and Element to verify each other
- Heisenbridge can't get displaynames for non-local users after they've joined so all displaynames appear to IRC-bridged users as an empty string unless they joined since the bridge restarted
- Sometimes room/space joins appear take too long/appear to never happen and you need to restart the client or re-log-in due to a race condition in the database of conduit derivatives (I also had this issue with Cinny and Continuwuity on bundernet.org)
- Messages taking 10+ minutes to arrive sometimes
- Conduit sometimes starts taking 10+ minutes to respond to requests so they time out and it needs to be restarted
- Conduit/RocksDB generally uses too much RAM (multiple gigabytes, compared to prosody which is using only a few megabytes)
@noisytoot @hexaheximal Well, Conduit has barely been maintained for a couple of years now. Tuwunel is the official successor (at least that's what they claim on their website). I'm having a better experience with it than conduit, that's for sure.
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@noisytoot From my experience, the issues haven't even been with Matrix but rather the official implementations. I don't use Element anymore, nor do I use Synapse anymore... and the problems just went away for me.
@hexaheximal @noisytoot I think the main issue is people comparing the UX in encrypted rooms with other messaging app in clear text.
I have often seen "I have problems to decrypt stuff with matrix, I think it is better to use [insert unencrypted IM app]". But they are 2 different use cases
Honestly, I find that matrix for public rooms (so, like discord) works well
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@hexaheximal @noisytoot I think the main issue is people comparing the UX in encrypted rooms with other messaging app in clear text.
I have often seen "I have problems to decrypt stuff with matrix, I think it is better to use [insert unencrypted IM app]". But they are 2 different use cases
Honestly, I find that matrix for public rooms (so, like discord) works well
@hexaheximal @noisytoot Recent versions of the official apps have finally fix most of decryption failure. I haven't seen one for a moment now. But that meme will be hard to forget
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@noisytoot @hexaheximal Well, Conduit has barely been maintained for a couple of years now. Tuwunel is the official successor (at least that's what they claim on their website). I'm having a better experience with it than conduit, that's for sure.
@przmk@fosstodon.org @hexaheximal@mstdn.social
Tuwunel is the official successor
It is not, you are confusing Conduit with Conduwuit. Conduit is still maintained.
I would like to switch to Continuwuity (the other Conduwuit fork) but neither that nor Tuwunel is currently an option anyway because the database is incompatible with the latest version of Conduit and there is currently no way to migrate.
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@hexaheximal @noisytoot Recent versions of the official apps have finally fix most of decryption failure. I haven't seen one for a moment now. But that meme will be hard to forget
@S1m @hexaheximal I don't use the official apps (except for mobile currently) because I won't touch Electron with a three-metre pole. (I tried Element Web and couldn't paste anything, and I'd rather not use a web client anyway.)
