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Google Chrome is silently installing a local LLM on your computer that is 4 gigabytes in size.

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  • atoponce@fosstodon.orgA atoponce@fosstodon.org

    Google Chrome is silently installing a local LLM on your computer that is 4 gigabytes in size. It's done without consent, it's not visible in the settings, and removing it will reinstall it later.

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    Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent. At a billion-device scale the climate costs are insane. — That Privacy Guy!

    Google Chrome is downloading a 4 GB Gemini Nano model onto users' machines without consent, with no opt-in, no opt-out short of enterprise tooling, and an automatic re-download every time the user deletes it. The pattern is identical to the Anthropic Claude Desktop case I wrote about last month, but the scale is between two and three orders of magnitude larger. This article does the legal analysis and, for the first time, the environmental analysis. The numbers are not small.

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    @atoponce Which OS? Chrome under Linux affected?

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    • tbachner@ruhr.socialT tbachner@ruhr.social

      @atoponce Which OS? Chrome under Linux affected?

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      @tbachner It's not for me which I installed via Flatpak. I've left Chrome running for the past few hours and executed:

      % find / -type f -name weights.bin 2> /dev/random

      a couple times, with no results.

      However, @ferricoxide found it on their machine in ~/.config/google-chrome/

      YMMV.

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      • atoponce@fosstodon.orgA atoponce@fosstodon.org

        @tbachner It's not for me which I installed via Flatpak. I've left Chrome running for the past few hours and executed:

        % find / -type f -name weights.bin 2> /dev/random

        a couple times, with no results.

        However, @ferricoxide found it on their machine in ~/.config/google-chrome/

        YMMV.

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        @atoponce@fosstodon.org @tbachner@ruhr.social

        Yeah. I'm using an EL9 derivative (via WSL). Looks like I installed the portable installer (i.e., it lives under
        ${HOME}/firefox/) rather than from RPM, though. A little odd for my habits, but I can't remember why I did it that way.

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        • atoponce@fosstodon.orgA atoponce@fosstodon.org

          Google Chrome is silently installing a local LLM on your computer that is 4 gigabytes in size. It's done without consent, it's not visible in the settings, and removing it will reinstall it later.

          Link Preview Image
          Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent. At a billion-device scale the climate costs are insane. — That Privacy Guy!

          Google Chrome is downloading a 4 GB Gemini Nano model onto users' machines without consent, with no opt-in, no opt-out short of enterprise tooling, and an automatic re-download every time the user deletes it. The pattern is identical to the Anthropic Claude Desktop case I wrote about last month, but the scale is between two and three orders of magnitude larger. This article does the legal analysis and, for the first time, the environmental analysis. The numbers are not small.

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          @atoponce AI infra companies cannot seriously get away with pulling shit like this surely

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          • atoponce@fosstodon.orgA atoponce@fosstodon.org

            Google Chrome is silently installing a local LLM on your computer that is 4 gigabytes in size. It's done without consent, it's not visible in the settings, and removing it will reinstall it later.

            Link Preview Image
            Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent. At a billion-device scale the climate costs are insane. — That Privacy Guy!

            Google Chrome is downloading a 4 GB Gemini Nano model onto users' machines without consent, with no opt-in, no opt-out short of enterprise tooling, and an automatic re-download every time the user deletes it. The pattern is identical to the Anthropic Claude Desktop case I wrote about last month, but the scale is between two and three orders of magnitude larger. This article does the legal analysis and, for the first time, the environmental analysis. The numbers are not small.

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            #44

            @atoponce question seems to be why? If the weights are sitting on your machine, but the ai functionality is still calling home... Is this some weird distributed AI alternative to building data centres? Using your users processing downtime to answer Gemini queries _elsewhere_?

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            • atoponce@fosstodon.orgA atoponce@fosstodon.org

              Google Chrome is silently installing a local LLM on your computer that is 4 gigabytes in size. It's done without consent, it's not visible in the settings, and removing it will reinstall it later.

              Link Preview Image
              Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent. At a billion-device scale the climate costs are insane. — That Privacy Guy!

              Google Chrome is downloading a 4 GB Gemini Nano model onto users' machines without consent, with no opt-in, no opt-out short of enterprise tooling, and an automatic re-download every time the user deletes it. The pattern is identical to the Anthropic Claude Desktop case I wrote about last month, but the scale is between two and three orders of magnitude larger. This article does the legal analysis and, for the first time, the environmental analysis. The numbers are not small.

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              @atoponce the heck 🫩.

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              • atoponce@fosstodon.orgA atoponce@fosstodon.org

                Google Chrome is silently installing a local LLM on your computer that is 4 gigabytes in size. It's done without consent, it's not visible in the settings, and removing it will reinstall it later.

                Link Preview Image
                Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent. At a billion-device scale the climate costs are insane. — That Privacy Guy!

                Google Chrome is downloading a 4 GB Gemini Nano model onto users' machines without consent, with no opt-in, no opt-out short of enterprise tooling, and an automatic re-download every time the user deletes it. The pattern is identical to the Anthropic Claude Desktop case I wrote about last month, but the scale is between two and three orders of magnitude larger. This article does the legal analysis and, for the first time, the environmental analysis. The numbers are not small.

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                #46

                @atoponce@fosstodon.orgMy thoughts on this would be to write a script that installs in MBR,
                At boot time,
                With no date limit,
                Forensics Tools...
                The script that will block such request in the future.
                If you are worried about the coding process, AI is Excellent in the helping.

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                • atoponce@fosstodon.orgA atoponce@fosstodon.org

                  Google Chrome is silently installing a local LLM on your computer that is 4 gigabytes in size. It's done without consent, it's not visible in the settings, and removing it will reinstall it later.

                  Link Preview Image
                  Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent. At a billion-device scale the climate costs are insane. — That Privacy Guy!

                  Google Chrome is downloading a 4 GB Gemini Nano model onto users' machines without consent, with no opt-in, no opt-out short of enterprise tooling, and an automatic re-download every time the user deletes it. The pattern is identical to the Anthropic Claude Desktop case I wrote about last month, but the scale is between two and three orders of magnitude larger. This article does the legal analysis and, for the first time, the environmental analysis. The numbers are not small.

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                  #47

                  @atoponce

                  Feature flag is here: chrome://flags/#prompt-api-for-gemini-nano

                  When enabled, it powers demos like this: https://chrome.dev/web-ai-demos/prompt-api-playground/

                  #AI #GeminiNano

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                  • atoponce@fosstodon.orgA atoponce@fosstodon.org

                    Google Chrome is silently installing a local LLM on your computer that is 4 gigabytes in size. It's done without consent, it's not visible in the settings, and removing it will reinstall it later.

                    Link Preview Image
                    Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent. At a billion-device scale the climate costs are insane. — That Privacy Guy!

                    Google Chrome is downloading a 4 GB Gemini Nano model onto users' machines without consent, with no opt-in, no opt-out short of enterprise tooling, and an automatic re-download every time the user deletes it. The pattern is identical to the Anthropic Claude Desktop case I wrote about last month, but the scale is between two and three orders of magnitude larger. This article does the legal analysis and, for the first time, the environmental analysis. The numbers are not small.

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                    #48

                    @atoponce Good that we have a healthy browser competition and it’s easy to switch

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                    • atoponce@fosstodon.orgA atoponce@fosstodon.org

                      Google Chrome is silently installing a local LLM on your computer that is 4 gigabytes in size. It's done without consent, it's not visible in the settings, and removing it will reinstall it later.

                      Link Preview Image
                      Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent. At a billion-device scale the climate costs are insane. — That Privacy Guy!

                      Google Chrome is downloading a 4 GB Gemini Nano model onto users' machines without consent, with no opt-in, no opt-out short of enterprise tooling, and an automatic re-download every time the user deletes it. The pattern is identical to the Anthropic Claude Desktop case I wrote about last month, but the scale is between two and three orders of magnitude larger. This article does the legal analysis and, for the first time, the environmental analysis. The numbers are not small.

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                      #49

                      @atoponce why are people still even using chrome ffs

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                      • tbachner@ruhr.socialT tbachner@ruhr.social

                        @atoponce Which OS? Chrome under Linux affected?

                        tito_swineflu@sfba.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @tbachner @atoponce It's on my ubuntu machine.

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                        • linux@masto.aiL linux@masto.ai

                          @atoponce

                          Another reason to use Vivaldi web browser.

                          It is the last mainstream web browser to not bundle an AI.

                          @Vivaldi

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                          @Linux @atoponce @Vivaldi Well Vivaldi is based on Chrome. type vivaldi:flags and search for nano

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                          • mgorny@social.treehouse.systemsM mgorny@social.treehouse.systems

                            @atoponce,

                            > nano
                            > 4 GB

                            I'm not going to ask.

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                            @mgorny @atoponce 1/0.25nano

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                            • jasper@mastodon.nlJ jasper@mastodon.nl

                              @mgorny @atoponce 1/0.25nano

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                              @jasper @atoponce, why I didn't notice that!

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                              • pvdrijst@mastodon.socialP pvdrijst@mastodon.social

                                @Linux @atoponce @Vivaldi Well Vivaldi is based on Chrome. type vivaldi:flags and search for nano

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                                @pvdrijst @Linux @atoponce @Vivaldi

                                That a feature is mentioned in that list does not mean it is enabled, it just means the code exists (and it is too difficult to actually disable this at compile-time, that requires too many patches). In fact, the feature the whole download depends on (OptimizationGuide) is disabled in Vivaldi and have been for a while, and I recently disabled the PromptApi features to be on the safe side. In addition, for a while what I suspect is the download URL for the model files being discussed has been pointed at a server that only return 404 responses . in case it should somehow be loaded.

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                                • atoponce@fosstodon.orgA atoponce@fosstodon.org

                                  Google Chrome is silently installing a local LLM on your computer that is 4 gigabytes in size. It's done without consent, it's not visible in the settings, and removing it will reinstall it later.

                                  Link Preview Image
                                  Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent. At a billion-device scale the climate costs are insane. — That Privacy Guy!

                                  Google Chrome is downloading a 4 GB Gemini Nano model onto users' machines without consent, with no opt-in, no opt-out short of enterprise tooling, and an automatic re-download every time the user deletes it. The pattern is identical to the Anthropic Claude Desktop case I wrote about last month, but the scale is between two and three orders of magnitude larger. This article does the legal analysis and, for the first time, the environmental analysis. The numbers are not small.

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                                  @civodul if that argument holds then Guix should stop downloading 50Gb per machine per annum 😉

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                                  • atoponce@fosstodon.orgA atoponce@fosstodon.org

                                    @faduda A possible solution might be toggling chrome://settings/system -> On-device AI, although I haven't been able to confirm, as the 4 GB weights.bin file hasn't shown up on my install yet.

                                    And no, this is strictly Google Chrome browser bloat. It doesn't affect Chromium, Edge, Brave, or any of the other Chromium forks as I understand it.

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                                    @atoponce

                                    I'm assuming that uninstall Chrome and delete its directory also works, because that's what I did.

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                                    • pjotrprins@mastodon.socialP pjotrprins@mastodon.social

                                      @civodul if that argument holds then Guix should stop downloading 50Gb per machine per annum 😉

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                                      @pjotrprins Well, note that it does so at the user’s request. 🙂

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                                      • atoponce@fosstodon.orgA atoponce@fosstodon.org

                                        @msbellows I believe the toggle is chrome://settings/system "On-device AI".

                                        I can't confirm this though, as in my testing on Linux, I haven't been able to locate the "weights.bin" download and no directory size supports that 4 GB download.

                                        So either I haven't waited long enough to download it (it's been over an hour at this point), or it's not applicable to Linux.

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                                        @atoponce @msbellows @atoponce @msbellows It's showed up in my chrome profile. I am on ZFS so that might be why it worked. But it came down on April 27th. See https://mastodon.social/@grimmy/116530169590371195 for more info.

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                                        • atoponce@fosstodon.orgA atoponce@fosstodon.org

                                          Google Chrome is silently installing a local LLM on your computer that is 4 gigabytes in size. It's done without consent, it's not visible in the settings, and removing it will reinstall it later.

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          Google Chrome silently installs a 4 GB AI model on your device without consent. At a billion-device scale the climate costs are insane. — That Privacy Guy!

                                          Google Chrome is downloading a 4 GB Gemini Nano model onto users' machines without consent, with no opt-in, no opt-out short of enterprise tooling, and an automatic re-download every time the user deletes it. The pattern is identical to the Anthropic Claude Desktop case I wrote about last month, but the scale is between two and three orders of magnitude larger. This article does the legal analysis and, for the first time, the environmental analysis. The numbers are not small.

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                                          @atoponce In my time we called something like this a "trojan".

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