Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅‍♂️

[mausmalone@mastodon.social]

@cm @sanzky @fj The reason it's "large" is not just the wheel base and track. It's the height and the way it fills out the envelope.

Basically even if you can find sedans and estates with similar wheelbases, those are cars you can see through and around in traffic. These SUVs (and crossovers) are opaque boxes that create danger wherever they go. And with the driver's seat that far from the nose they have just AWFUL blind spots to boot.

[tkissing@mastodon.social]

@reloadedhead I considered that and decided that the likelihood of your question being in good faith is not very high.

[kristen_d@mastodon.social]

@fj Well, here in the United States of stupid, insecure men with shitty personalities and penises no one will touch *need* these gigantic compensatory machines. #TheOnlyGoodNaziIsADeadNazi

[cellomomoncars@mastodon.social]

@ghard @simon_brooke @fj

The Netherlands already taxes cars at sale according to their weight and carbon emissions. I think the annual road tax also goes up with weight.

About a decade ago I looked up the taxes for an Audi Q5: they were about € 20,000 at sale. You see very few of those on Dutch roads.

I expect other EU countries to have similar tax codes.

[reloadedhead@mastodon.social]

@tribactam @richlv @fj thank you for referencing this article. Very interesting read!

[sarpau@mastodon.social]

@fj I wonder why

[sentry23@infosec.exchange]

@simon_brooke @fj look at the Dutch car roadtax per weight group+fuel type. I think that is pretty much what you mean.

[slotos@toot.community]

@reloadedhead @fj

Not everything is a matter of want. I.e. we tend to not let people decide whether they want to kill children with blunt objects.

[reloadedhead@mastodon.social]

@tkissing I was genuinely asking. Still not a reason to go full ballistic, but that’s just my point of view.

[sir_osis_of_liver@beige.party]

@kingmoth @Quantensalat @fj

I have an F150 Lightning EV and a VW Touareg TDI.

If I lived in a European city, I wouldn't have either. The Lightning in particular would just be a pain to live with there.

[tkissing@mastodon.social]

@reloadedhead
"Why not let people decide if they want a giant car?"
"Why not let people decide if they want to wear a mask when shipping during a pandemic?"

If you want to ask good faith questions and get polite answers, try sounding different from assholes who very loudly put their personal comfort over the health and life of others for the past ~6 years.

[tbyg@mastodon.sdf.org]

@fj

Good. I wish they'd keep them off our roads. Those things should be reserved for work just as semis are. In my opinion anybody who uses them for basic transportation should seek professional help.

[ghard@mastodon.social]

@simon_brooke @CelloMomOnCars @fj I’m afraid such tax would also disincentivise EVs, as even the small ones would weigh considerably more than similar size internal combustion engine models. All the externalities should be accounted for.

[cyberwitch@goingdark.social]

@fj they're so dangerous. Part of this arms-race of "protecting ourselves on the road to the risk of everyone else." Their high center of gravity and sense of overconfidence is terrible for snowy conditions, and their enormous hoods make blindspots where even people in my neighborhood got killed by one of these things talking a turn and not seeing pedestrians.

[reloadedhead@mastodon.social]

@tkissing I expect polite answers because I think respect is something everyone should be granted, regardless if we agree or not. It is very easy to not insult people just because.

I don’t own such a truck and I don’t even want to. I’ve never hurt anyone in any way or form. So I don’t know why you are being this aggressive. But you do you.

[openrisk@mastodon.social]

@Kensan @fj in Amsterdam microcars are more and more in use, but Kei cars would complement nicely, also for professional use.

[disco3000@climatejustice.social]

@mikaeleiman @fj thats why I like my Polestar 2 so much. 4,6m is shorter than most competitors, still ride is perfect and the width is also on the narrow side. The EV9 window line is above my roof 🫣

[andre123@snowfan.it]

@fj

Especially after what the US (and Israel) have caused to the oil price...it's time to encrease public transportation and efficient electric small and medium sized cars....(small and medium by european standards !)

[openrisk@mastodon.social]

@ll1t @fj @catsalad these are status symbols for the 1%. They are insensitive to prices as any amount of consumption is a miniscule fraction of their wealth.

[mikaeleiman@mastodon.sdf.org]

@disco3000 if only someone made a not-huge seven seat car… Sigh.