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@paco @BenAveling it is just a stupid electronic device

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  • ki@chaos.socialK ki@chaos.social

    @elaine @paco
    So... your idea of data security is to give even more user data to these companies with too much power that we'd love to burn to the ground? (metaphorically) The very same companies that feed every piece of data they can get their hands on into LLMs?

    shinspiegel@mastodon.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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    shinspiegel@mastodon.social
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    @ki @elaine @paco not 100% sure if the intent of the OP of this was that, but Google, Apple already have a lot of data from your phone, so use the phone as the age verification device.

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    • shinspiegel@mastodon.socialS shinspiegel@mastodon.social

      @ki @elaine @paco not 100% sure if the intent of the OP of this was that, but Google, Apple already have a lot of data from your phone, so use the phone as the age verification device.

      ki@chaos.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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      ki@chaos.social
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      #362

      @shinspiegel @elaine @paco
      which doesn't make things any better, though

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      • xanatos@mastodon.gamedev.placeX This user is from outside of this forum
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        xanatos@mastodon.gamedev.place
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        #363

        @paco well
        If he does not remember his own password the account will be super secure.

        This is only true if a drive encryption is enabled.

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        • paco@infosec.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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          #364

          @killick Agreed. C-level execs care a lot about their own skin and their own money. Put it at risk and things will change. Let them throw a third party under the bus and they won’t.

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          • paco@infosec.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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            #365

            @alice I love this headline from the Beaverton.

            https://www.thebeaverton.com/2025/05/rogers-celebrates-20-years-of-higher-than-expected-call-volumes/

            @roohafzaluvr

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            • paco@infosec.exchangeP This user is from outside of this forum
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              @x41h Go!
              @punissuer

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              • bkahn@beige.partyB This user is from outside of this forum
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                #367

                @alice @roohafzaluvr @paco

                My first thought is:

                "Due to our totally shitty and essentially non-existent customer service, we are experiencing higher than average call volumes. The current wait time is three days, seven hours, nineteen minutes. Your call is important to us but not as important as reducing staff to goose profits. Please hold for the next available representative."
                😩

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                • paco@infosec.exchangeP paco@infosec.exchange

                  @alice I love this headline from the Beaverton.

                  https://www.thebeaverton.com/2025/05/rogers-celebrates-20-years-of-higher-than-expected-call-volumes/

                  @roohafzaluvr

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                  sir_osis_of_liver@beige.party
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                  #368

                  @paco @alice @roohafzaluvr

                  I fucking hate Rogers. When they took over Fundy Cable, the service got worse and prices increased. The call centre was farmed out to lord knows where and when I moved, they wanted me to drive the cable box to Saint John from Fredericton, which I refused to do. They relented and I dropped it at the local Rogers store.

                  Years later, when Rogers bought out Shaw (who I was happy with), I again had to move. It took three hours on the phone to cancel my service because you couldn't do it online for whatever reason, and had to pay $340 to close the contract.

                  Fuck those guys.

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                  • bob_zim@infosec.exchangeB This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @alice @roohafzaluvr @paco “We value your privacy … at about 35¢.”

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                    • sir_osis_of_liver@beige.partyS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      sir_osis_of_liver@beige.party
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                      #370

                      @alice @paco @roohafzaluvr

                      Oh, jeeze that's enraging.

                      When I was working in the US, I heard a lot of stories about Comcast, none good.

                      What I hate is I was happy with NBTel, Fundy Cable and later Shaw Cable. They were bought out by Rogers or Bell Canada, the conglomerates with the worst customer satisfaction scores in the country.

                      The regulator just rubber stamped the deals without paying any attention to public feedback.

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                      • ki@chaos.socialK ki@chaos.social

                        @shinspiegel @elaine @paco
                        which doesn't make things any better, though

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                        #371

                        @ki @elaine @paco nope, but at least it isn’t a third party validating…

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                        • globcoco@mamot.frG This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @elaine @paco

                          To Google? Yeeees. That is a great idea. #sarcasm

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                            @globcoco@mamot.fr @paco@infosec.exchange Do you think your bank is better at cyber security than Google? You give them the same information.

                            The alternative is giving photos of your photo ID to random websites with no full-time security team.

                            If the data is collected who has a objectively better cyber security team? Google or a random adult videos website.

                            We do have an alternative to age verification and it's censorship. It could just be illegal to transmit material harmful to minors across state lines. No age verification because there's no material to age gate.

                            Unless you're willing to actively advocate that there should be zero safe guards to prevent a small child or teenager from being exposed to the materials, for the sake of adults having easier access to the material.

                            Governments are going to do something. We can either present them with options that avoid harm as much as possibl, or we can stay silent l, and let them decide and it'll probably mean everyone loses. You might have to provide a government ID to use the internet, and there's censorship.

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                              @shinspiegel@mastodon.social @ki@chaos.social @paco@infosec.exchange The LLM thing is a bit overblown. Contrary to popular beliefs, large language models do have practical size limits in terms of being able to perform inference. If we collected every single chat message, social media message, every keystroke of every user in the world, the language model would be too big. So instead of a library of all of the information in the world, you need the most popular and most relevant information.

                              Both xAi and Perplexity both use retrieval augmented generation, a process where they collect information from their index and pass to the prompt, of social media posts rather than including them in the model.

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                              • troed@swecyb.comT troed@swecyb.com

                                @paco No one should let anyone get away with "third party". Your subcontractor - you own it, just as if it had been your own employees. Don't like it? Don't outsource your responsibilities.

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                                @troed @paco Do you think they wouldn’t have been hacked if discord did it themselves? The outsourcing is a red herring.

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                                • oscherler@tooting.chO oscherler@tooting.ch

                                  @troed @paco Do you think they wouldn’t have been hacked if discord did it themselves? The outsourcing is a red herring.

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                                  I suspect we are all in agreement. Discord is trying to blame a third party to make it seem like they did everything right; that the situation is just that their vendor let them down. None of us think that’s a reasonable excuse, nor that anyone should consider it an acceptable response in these circumstances.
                                  @oscherler @troed

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                                    @globcoco@mamot.fr @paco@infosec.exchange Do you think your bank is better at cyber security than Google? You give them the same information.

                                    The alternative is giving photos of your photo ID to random websites with no full-time security team.

                                    If the data is collected who has a objectively better cyber security team? Google or a random adult videos website.

                                    We do have an alternative to age verification and it's censorship. It could just be illegal to transmit material harmful to minors across state lines. No age verification because there's no material to age gate.

                                    Unless you're willing to actively advocate that there should be zero safe guards to prevent a small child or teenager from being exposed to the materials, for the sake of adults having easier access to the material.

                                    Governments are going to do something. We can either present them with options that avoid harm as much as possibl, or we can stay silent l, and let them decide and it'll probably mean everyone loses. You might have to provide a government ID to use the internet, and there's censorship.

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                                    @elaine @paco

                                    Google is not the answer though.

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                                    • betonglen@indieweb.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @paco

                                      thank you for sharing and you all for your service 🙏🏾✌🏾🖖🏾

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                                      • b_cavello@mastodon.publicinterest.townB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        b_cavello@mastodon.publicinterest.town
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                                        @paco This is so cool! Thank you for sharing the process. This inspires me 💖

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                                        • b_cavello@mastodon.publicinterest.townB b_cavello@mastodon.publicinterest.town

                                          @paco This is so cool! Thank you for sharing the process. This inspires me 💖

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                                          @b_cavello I’m glad! I think it’s fun. I’ve been doing it off and on for 20 years. (I lived outside the US for 10). Almost any eligible voter can be an election officer in most jurisdictions. It’s easy to try once, and no big deal if you don’t like it and don’t do it again.

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