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  3. What if there was a feature on the fediverse that when you followed someone that your server didn't know about, you could click a button that says something like, request full federation, and that would run a query to backfill them onto your home server.

What if there was a feature on the fediverse that when you followed someone that your server didn't know about, you could click a button that says something like, request full federation, and that would run a query to backfill them onto your home server.

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  • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

    What if there was a feature on the fediverse that when you followed someone that your server didn't know about, you could click a button that says something like, request full federation, and that would run a query to backfill them onto your home server. So you get the full history like that server had been following the account since the beginning. It could be scoped so the admin of the instance only allowed this ability to spesific people, and maybe it could enter a review mode first.

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    @liaizon could at least fetch the last 20 posts and such by default!

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    • paul@oldfriends.liveP paul@oldfriends.live

      @liaizon That would be great. I've been using @michael's #FediFetcher python script since 2023 to backfill accounts of people. I am not sure how far it goes back when it backfills accounts, though, but it really makes it nice to open a profile and see posts instead of an empty profile.

      "It can also backfill profiles on your instance. In particular it can
      fetch missing posts from users that have recently appeared in your notifications
      fetch missing posts from users that you have recently followed
      fetch missing posts from users that have recently followed you
      fetch missing posts from users that have recently sent you a follow request
      fetch missing posts from users that have recently been added to your lists"

      https://blog.thms.uk/2023/03/backfill-recently-followed-accounts

      https://github.com/nanos/FediFetcher

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      @paul @michael its times like this that I wish we had first class support for plugins or extensions. This ability should not be locked behind a wall for only people who can run scripts to get missing features. Most of the fediverse is running on managed hosting in the first place 😞

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      • floppy@mastodon.me.ukF floppy@mastodon.me.uk

        @liaizon in fact, one might reasonably assume that's what the outbox is *for*.

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        @Floppy it's one of those things that seems like it hasn't been done only because it hasn't been done

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        • dantescanline@autonomous.zoneD dantescanline@autonomous.zone

          @liaizon could at least fetch the last 20 posts and such by default!

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          @dantescanline that seems like the absolutely most sane default as oppose to starting with 0

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          • stefan@stefanbohacek.onlineS stefan@stefanbohacek.online

            @liaizon Yep, there's an old Mastodon ticket requesting exactly this.

            https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/34

            It hasn't been closed yet, so who knows, maybe we'll get this one day!

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            @stefan 2016 fml

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            • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

              What if there was a feature on the fediverse that when you followed someone that your server didn't know about, you could click a button that says something like, request full federation, and that would run a query to backfill them onto your home server. So you get the full history like that server had been following the account since the beginning. It could be scoped so the admin of the instance only allowed this ability to spesific people, and maybe it could enter a review mode first.

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              @liaizon@social.wake.st

              Only barrier I can think of is people getting really angry that there's basically a way to slurp up their profile data, though honestly, ActivityPub isn't really a great protocol for privacy no matter how many loud people say it is.

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              • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

                @stefan 2016 fml

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                @liaizon Quotes have been requested since 2016 as well!

                https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/309

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                • flaky@app.wafrn.netF flaky@app.wafrn.net

                  @liaizon@social.wake.st

                  Only barrier I can think of is people getting really angry that there's basically a way to slurp up their profile data, though honestly, ActivityPub isn't really a great protocol for privacy no matter how many loud people say it is.

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                  @flaky I think these people need to find another network tbh this place is not designed for that at all. The entire network is designed with the opposite premise and the people worried about their data that is already being slurped up by 30k servers are trying to fight a windmill with an umbrella

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                  • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

                    @paul @michael its times like this that I wish we had first class support for plugins or extensions. This ability should not be locked behind a wall for only people who can run scripts to get missing features. Most of the fediverse is running on managed hosting in the first place 😞

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                    @liaizon I really wished, also, there were plugin/extensions support.

                    Instances could add features or tweaks for their local users that now require hacking the code and page templates.

                    @michael

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                    • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

                      @flaky I think these people need to find another network tbh this place is not designed for that at all. The entire network is designed with the opposite premise and the people worried about their data that is already being slurped up by 30k servers are trying to fight a windmill with an umbrella

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                      @liaizon@social.wake.st

                      I think any decentralised/federated network is pretty much not what they're looking for, they probably want something like phpBB instead tbh.

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                      • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

                        @paul @michael its times like this that I wish we had first class support for plugins or extensions. This ability should not be locked behind a wall for only people who can run scripts to get missing features. Most of the fediverse is running on managed hosting in the first place 😞

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                        @liaizon @paul FediFetcher can be run against managed hosting for what it's worth.

                        (But I also wish Mastodon had the ability built in …)

                        “I am not sure how far it goes back when it backfills accounts”

                        It gets the last 40 posts from the user.

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                        • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

                          @Floppy it's one of those things that seems like it hasn't been done only because it hasn't been done

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                          @liaizon yeah, I think that's probably right. Assuming it hasn't, in fact, been done and we just don't know about it.

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                          • stefan@stefanbohacek.onlineS stefan@stefanbohacek.online

                            @liaizon Quotes have been requested since 2016 as well!

                            https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/309

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                            @stefan yeah I know about that one for sure, at least we have it now in 2026 and it sorta works

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                            • michael@mstdn.thms.ukM michael@mstdn.thms.uk

                              @liaizon @paul FediFetcher can be run against managed hosting for what it's worth.

                              (But I also wish Mastodon had the ability built in …)

                              “I am not sure how far it goes back when it backfills accounts”

                              It gets the last 40 posts from the user.

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                              @michael @paul how would you run it against managed hosting? It doesn't require being run on the same server as the instance?

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                              • liaizon@social.wake.stL liaizon@social.wake.st

                                @michael @paul how would you run it against managed hosting? It doesn't require being run on the same server as the instance?

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                                @liaizon @paul no, it just accesses the API so you can run it from ... anything you want, including Github (which would be the easiest way to get it running from free) a computer you have flying around at home, or whatever else takes your fancy.

                                Full details in the wiki:

                                https://github.com/nanos/FediFetcher/wiki

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