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Convince me it is more in my interests to help build the future than to try to prevent it

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  • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

    Convince me it is more in my interests to help build the future than to try to prevent it

    irenetherogue@beige.partyI This user is from outside of this forum
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    @mcc prevent the future, as in like, end the world? Bruh thats what the fascists and techbros are doing. Dont be like them

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    • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

      Convince me it is more in my interests to help build the future than to try to prevent it

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      #8

      @mcc the principle of "the future is here today, it is just not evenly distributed" demonstrates that many possible futures coexist in the present simultaneously, and thus it follows that we are not limited to one inevitable future. however, i conjecture that a given non-realized future is substantially less likely to come to pass if it is not first built.

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      • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

        Convince me it is more in my interests to help build the future than to try to prevent it

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        #9

        @mcc yes

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        • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

          Convince me it is more in my interests to help build the future than to try to prevent it

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          #10

          @mcc The future is coming no matter what and I'd prefer someone like you have a hand in it than otherwise.

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          • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

            Convince me it is more in my interests to help build the future than to try to prevent it

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            #11

            @mcc Name anyone who ever succeeded in preventing it

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            • phairupegiont@mastodon.socialP phairupegiont@mastodon.social

              @mcc Name anyone who ever succeeded in preventing it

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              @phairupegiont @mcc Stanislav Petrov

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              • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                Convince me it is more in my interests to help build the future than to try to prevent it

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                #13

                @mcc the only way to prevent it is to build a different one!

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                • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                  Convince me it is more in my interests to help build the future than to try to prevent it

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                  #14

                  @mcc If you help build a better one, I’m all for it! 🙌

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                  • emaytch@mastodon.socialE emaytch@mastodon.social

                    @mcc helping to build the future is also trying to prevent it, because you're shaping the future you want to exist

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                    @emaytch @mcc There are myriad possible futures, shaping the one you want is preventing countless others from being born. (I came here to say that independently but we had the same thought so yay)

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                    • aeva@mastodon.gamedev.placeA aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place

                      @mcc the principle of "the future is here today, it is just not evenly distributed" demonstrates that many possible futures coexist in the present simultaneously, and thus it follows that we are not limited to one inevitable future. however, i conjecture that a given non-realized future is substantially less likely to come to pass if it is not first built.

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                      #16

                      @aeva @mcc yes. humans are the mechanism by which hypotheticals enter reality. any future that wants to come here has to claw its way through our brains to do it.

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                      • ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI ireneista@adhd.irenes.space

                        @aeva @mcc yes. humans are the mechanism by which hypotheticals enter reality. any future that wants to come here has to claw its way through our brains to do it.

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                        @aeva @mcc this is not intended as a response to mcc's original question. we don't think it's a good idea to build generative machine learning stuff right now. the future we want is one that can't be built ("it is in your spirit or it is nowhere"), so we aren't about to try to convince people to build things.

                        if you have build-y urges, make art. art means something. art will mean something, as long as humans are humans.

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                        • ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI ireneista@adhd.irenes.space

                          @aeva @mcc this is not intended as a response to mcc's original question. we don't think it's a good idea to build generative machine learning stuff right now. the future we want is one that can't be built ("it is in your spirit or it is nowhere"), so we aren't about to try to convince people to build things.

                          if you have build-y urges, make art. art means something. art will mean something, as long as humans are humans.

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                          @aeva @mcc we do have a couple personal research projects but they are very, very speculative and have nothing to do with statistical techniques of any kind.

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                          • ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI ireneista@adhd.irenes.space

                            @aeva @mcc we do have a couple personal research projects but they are very, very speculative and have nothing to do with statistical techniques of any kind.

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                            @aeva @mcc we almost feel guilty for working on those, it's the closest thing we've ever felt to the "what if we win" feeling that we've seen people have while waiting to scratch off lottery tickets.

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                            • ireneista@adhd.irenes.spaceI ireneista@adhd.irenes.space

                              @aeva @mcc this is not intended as a response to mcc's original question. we don't think it's a good idea to build generative machine learning stuff right now. the future we want is one that can't be built ("it is in your spirit or it is nowhere"), so we aren't about to try to convince people to build things.

                              if you have build-y urges, make art. art means something. art will mean something, as long as humans are humans.

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                              @ireneista @aeva "ignore anything i won't collaborate with, make art" *was* my plan,

                              then the entities i was trying to ignore forced generative machine learning features into my operating system as i was using it,

                              and then when i switched to a different operating system forced generative machine learning outputs into THAT operating system.

                              i am made a collaborator without actually *doing* anything. software auto-update makes the decisions for me

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                              • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                @ireneista @aeva "ignore anything i won't collaborate with, make art" *was* my plan,

                                then the entities i was trying to ignore forced generative machine learning features into my operating system as i was using it,

                                and then when i switched to a different operating system forced generative machine learning outputs into THAT operating system.

                                i am made a collaborator without actually *doing* anything. software auto-update makes the decisions for me

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                                @mcc @aeva yeah. yeah, it's fucked up. we're grappling with that ourselves.

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                                • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                  Convince me it is more in my interests to help build the future than to try to prevent it

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                                  @mcc I can't.

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