<![CDATA["Based on these challenges, Koch suggests it may be necessary to revisit older philosophical ideas like idealism or panpsychism."]]>"Based on these challenges, Koch suggests it may be necessary to revisit older philosophical ideas like idealism or panpsychism."

Really? Cool!

The brain might not create consciousness after all | ScienceDaily
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260406192809.htm

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When broken in two, is it still one, or more consciousness?
What is the one-ness required for consciousness, where does the consciousness of a lake seperate when a draw a bucket of water, and drink it. Or boil it into steam. Or apply electricity and separate oxygen from hydrogen?

(Invoke quantum for -100 points)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/RyeNCode/statuses/116399835694671646https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/RyeNCode/statuses/116399835694671646Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:48:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Based on these challenges, Koch suggests it may be necessary to revisit older philosophical ideas like idealism or panpsychism." on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:41:14 GMT]]>@michaelgemar @dyckron I would say that yes, eyeballs experience things separate from your experience of vision. I'd say that any collections of particles have experiences. Even single particles. Whether or not those experiences are "coherent" in a way we would relate to...I dunno.

It's just... It seems to me to be inelegant to assume some things"experience"while others do not.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://spacey.space/users/isaackuo/statuses/116399805232752463https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://spacey.space/users/isaackuo/statuses/116399805232752463Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:41:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Based on these challenges, Koch suggests it may be necessary to revisit older philosophical ideas like idealism or panpsychism." on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:34:50 GMT]]>@isaackuo @dyckron Do my individual eyeballs experience things *separate* from *my* experience of vision? What lumps of matter have consciousness? And even if individual lumps are conscious, what mechanism exists such that physically combining those lumps into a larger lump creates yet *another* consciousness?

I honestly don’t see how postulating such an exuberance of consciousness solves the issue — it just seems to push a solution further away. It’s like explaining life via panspermia.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cosocial.ca/ap/users/116274777763908831/statuses/116399780043456209https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cosocial.ca/ap/users/116274777763908831/statuses/116399780043456209Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:34:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Based on these challenges, Koch suggests it may be necessary to revisit older philosophical ideas like idealism or panpsychism." on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:21:10 GMT]]>@michaelgemar @dyckron I'm sympathetic to the idea of panpsychism, so I'll give my take.

I would answer that yes, your toenails experience things. And that consciousnesses are not exclusive. They can overlap.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://spacey.space/users/isaackuo/statuses/116399726283360501https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://spacey.space/users/isaackuo/statuses/116399726283360501Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:21:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Based on these challenges, Koch suggests it may be necessary to revisit older philosophical ideas like idealism or panpsychism." on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:18:46 GMT]]>@michaelgemar Way over my head! It's the "plane of reason" of idealism that I've always liked. Yoda-style: "luminous beings are we, not this crude matter"

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cosocial.ca/ap/users/116280692803499131/statuses/116399716845570345https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cosocial.ca/ap/users/116280692803499131/statuses/116399716845570345Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:18:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Based on these challenges, Koch suggests it may be necessary to revisit older philosophical ideas like idealism or panpsychism." on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:14:22 GMT]]>@dyckron I’ve never understood how panpsychism is supposed to solve things. If *everything* is conscious, how does that produce a *singular* conscious experience in me? Are all of my bones *also* conscious? Are there ten conscious experiencers in my feet, one for each toenail?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cosocial.ca/ap/users/116274777763908831/statuses/116399699509228250https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cosocial.ca/ap/users/116274777763908831/statuses/116399699509228250Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:14:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Based on these challenges, Koch suggests it may be necessary to revisit older philosophical ideas like idealism or panpsychism." on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:13:34 GMT]]>@PatrickoftheG aha!

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cosocial.ca/ap/users/116280692803499131/statuses/116399696411767358https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cosocial.ca/ap/users/116280692803499131/statuses/116399696411767358Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:13:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Based on these challenges, Koch suggests it may be necessary to revisit older philosophical ideas like idealism or panpsychism." on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:10:57 GMT]]>@dyckron Thinking bags came from Pratchett, Trekkie nerd.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/PatrickoftheG/statuses/116399686134178264https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/PatrickoftheG/statuses/116399686134178264Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:10:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Based on these challenges, Koch suggests it may be necessary to revisit older philosophical ideas like idealism or panpsychism." on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:08:33 GMT]]>@PatrickoftheG ugly bags of mostly water, for sure. One of the best Star Trek TNG lines

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cosocial.ca/ap/users/116280692803499131/statuses/116399676695236275https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cosocial.ca/ap/users/116280692803499131/statuses/116399676695236275Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:08:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Based on these challenges, Koch suggests it may be necessary to revisit older philosophical ideas like idealism or panpsychism." on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:08:31 GMT]]>@dyckron this sounds just like dust in the Philip Pullman novels. Is someone going to find the Rose Field, and find we've all got daemons that we never noticed?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cosocial.ca/ap/users/116312577443346016/statuses/116399676550578436https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cosocial.ca/ap/users/116312577443346016/statuses/116399676550578436Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:08:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "Based on these challenges, Koch suggests it may be necessary to revisit older philosophical ideas like idealism or panpsychism." on Mon, 13 Apr 2026 22:06:50 GMT]]>@dyckron I was born a thinking bag of water hung on bones and I'll die a thinking bag of water hung on some bones.

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