<![CDATA[Keeping kids safe online is a top priority.]]>Keeping kids safe online is a top priority.

Today, the Commission has preliminarily found porn platforms Pornhub, Stripchat, XNXX, and XVideos in breach of the Digital Services Act for allowing minors to access adult content.

We’ve also launched investigation into Snapchat under doubts that the platform has failed to adequately protect minors from harmful content, grooming, and illegal products like drugs and vapes. We also suspect that they have failed to verify users age sufficiently.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/fdc4abf0-6d36-4c0d-bf7a-2946b366e8d4/keeping-kids-safe-online-is-a-top-priority.RSS for NodeFri, 17 Apr 2026 04:19:53 GMTThu, 26 Mar 2026 11:08:21 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 19:01:28 GMT]]>@HennaVirkkunen If some of the companies/services violate/fail laws or rules, you need to sanction them, not violate users privacy. It's that simple.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://veganism.social/users/Dragofix/statuses/116302681760157064https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://veganism.social/users/Dragofix/statuses/116302681760157064Fri, 27 Mar 2026 19:01:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 07:38:56 GMT]]>@david @bjoreman @HennaVirkkunen At any rate, Mastodon is too short a format to go into the details of issues with ZKPs for age attestation, so some useful pointers:

https://brave.com/blog/zkp-age-verification-limits/

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/07/zero-knowledge-proofs-alone-are-not-digital-id-solution-protecting-user-privacy

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116299997921786850https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116299997921786850Fri, 27 Mar 2026 07:38:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 07:31:45 GMT]]>@david @bjoreman @HennaVirkkunen On the point of using identity documents directly: either you have to send the signed attestation to the site/app for verification, which would deanonymize you; or some gatekeeper like a government site would have to do it and give the result to a site/app and in that case the gatekeeper knows what apps/sites you are using, which is a huge privacy invasion. Also doesn't protect well against a kid using someone else's ID to verify, so it's mostly security theater.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116299969705929819https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116299969705929819Fri, 27 Mar 2026 07:31:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 07:27:51 GMT]]>@david @bjoreman @HennaVirkkunen

You are missing my first point, even if an age attestation method does not reveal the birth date, you can infer the birth date from it because some day the attestation will flip from 'false' to 'true'.

Second, Spain is piloting the EUDI Wallet for age verification, which will implement remote attestation:

https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android-wallet-ui/issues/42#issuecomment-3444182996

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116299954332977750https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116299954332977750Fri, 27 Mar 2026 07:27:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Fri, 27 Mar 2026 03:58:56 GMT]]>Forcing consumers to reveal their identity to data abusers keeps no one safe, not children, not adults. Breaking and bypassing privacy technology actively makes the Internet less safe. Curtail data brokers and abusive targeted ad industry, regulate and monitor what GDPR already legislated.
@HennaVirkkunen

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116299132852855318https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/osma/statuses/116299132852855318Fri, 27 Mar 2026 03:58:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 22:08:28 GMT]]>
I don't see the connection with free software because I'm not aware of any legal restrictions on using free software repositories by underage, and I cannot imagine it as a political possibility.

CC: @bjoreman@toot.cafe @HennaVirkkunen@ec.social-network.europa.eu
]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://maximalismo.red/david/p/1774562908.134132https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://maximalismo.red/david/p/1774562908.134132Thu, 26 Mar 2026 22:08:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 20:07:08 GMT]]>@HennaVirkkunen and I have said it loud and clear too: protecting your children is the prime responsibility of parents and the tools to do so have become easier and easier to use and implement.

Apart from that what is a minor?

Apart from that, what’s the scientific evidence of seeing porn in the age bracket of say 12 to 18 is damaging? There is hardly any.

Apart from that, read the comments of @danieldkok@mastodon.social
Because he is right and knowledgeable.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.nl/users/Paul_Harts/statuses/116297277668353130https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.nl/users/Paul_Harts/statuses/116297277668353130Thu, 26 Mar 2026 20:07:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 18:55:42 GMT]]>@danieldk @david @HennaVirkkunen Yeah, it’s not like there are no tools today for parents to control what kids can access.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.cafe/users/bjoreman/statuses/116296996772050136https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.cafe/users/bjoreman/statuses/116296996772050136Thu, 26 Mar 2026 18:55:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 18:49:33 GMT]]>@david @bjoreman @HennaVirkkunen also see https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-doc-technical-specification/issues/18

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116296972605693140https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116296972605693140Thu, 26 Mar 2026 18:49:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 18:31:53 GMT]]>@david @bjoreman @HennaVirkkunen For these reasons, Europeans should outright reject age verification.

Yes, I know it is difficult when kids can pretty much access anything, but as parents we have to find better ways than those that further kill privacy and entrench big tech players.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116296903152572692https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116296903152572692Thu, 26 Mar 2026 18:31:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 18:28:53 GMT]]>@david @bjoreman @HennaVirkkunen Age verification + remote attestation is big tech's pipe dream. Google can already shut out competing systems from phone NFC payments, because pretty much every bank only supports Google/Apple Pay and Google doesn't attest alt-OSes.

Remote attestation of websites would be another level, making it practically impossible to live outside the Google/Apple duopoly.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116296891345179022https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116296891345179022Thu, 26 Mar 2026 18:28:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 18:25:37 GMT]]>@david @bjoreman @HennaVirkkunen Also, age verification is strongly detrimental to open source and your freedom to choose your OS.

Most implementations of 'anonymous' age verification require remote hardware attestation (eventually), because otherwise you can manipulate the app/process that partakes in the attestation.

Mandatory remote attestation is pretty much the end of free OS choice, because you running your own non-approved software will shut you out of services.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116296878504056494https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116296878504056494Thu, 26 Mar 2026 18:25:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 18:20:30 GMT]]>@david @bjoreman @HennaVirkkunen So, the problem with age verification is that it is yet another attack on privacy. Not surprisingly, behind the scenes Meta is pushing this a lot through various sock puppets.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116296858361484790https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116296858361484790Thu, 26 Mar 2026 18:20:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 18:18:16 GMT]]>@david @bjoreman @HennaVirkkunen The problem with most age attestations is that you can work out someone's birthday by keeping track of past attestations. When the attestation changes, someone had their birthday, thus the attestation gives away information that someone might not want to reveal.

This gets worse with implementations with which you can test age brackets (different age brackets under 18, to allow some content).

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116296849576669903https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116296849576669903Thu, 26 Mar 2026 18:18:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 17:35:49 GMT]]>
CC: @bjoreman@toot.cafe @HennaVirkkunen@ec.social-network.europa.eu
]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://maximalismo.red/david/p/1774546549.091790https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://maximalismo.red/david/p/1774546549.091790Thu, 26 Mar 2026 17:35:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 15:54:00 GMT]]>@HennaVirkkunen First a first age verification tool. Otherwise each platform makes his own system and collecting enorm much data.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.nl/users/muzicofiel/statuses/116296282306481797https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.nl/users/muzicofiel/statuses/116296282306481797Thu, 26 Mar 2026 15:54:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 15:52:31 GMT]]>Dear @EUCommission and @HennaVirkkunen
Please consider what the world wide community of scientists for computer security and privacy, who are studying the impacts of technology on society, have to say on this topic. They published an open letter, signed by more than 400 scientists in the field, calling for a (temporary) moratorium on age verification online earlier this month:
https://csa-scientist-open-letter.org/ageverif-Feb2026

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.violoncello.ch/users/jonas/statuses/116296276481277183https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.violoncello.ch/users/jonas/statuses/116296276481277183Thu, 26 Mar 2026 15:52:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 15:11:51 GMT]]>@david @bjoreman @HennaVirkkunen that site somehow doesn't seem to work here. But in general, these proposals fail, because sites can regularly probe for age brackets. If you do this on a regular basis, you can figure out someone's birthday.

E.g. if 12 years is a bracket boundary, the day that age gets attested is the birthday of the kid. Even more likely because someone is more likely to check close after their birthday to unlock some site/functionality.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116296116538609611https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/danieldk/statuses/116296116538609611Thu, 26 Mar 2026 15:11:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 14:39:42 GMT]]>@HennaVirkkunen You don't keep our kids safe by doing this, It's the opposite. That's sad for EU

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115956806780949221/statuses/116295990116104587https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115956806780949221/statuses/116295990116104587Thu, 26 Mar 2026 14:39:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 14:25:32 GMT]]>@david @HennaVirkkunen That sounds reasonable-ish. I hope they don't build regulations which create a sea of very poor malicious compliance.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.cafe/users/bjoreman/statuses/116295934435055062https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.cafe/users/bjoreman/statuses/116295934435055062Thu, 26 Mar 2026 14:25:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 14:22:30 GMT]]>@HennaVirkkunen And what priority has the protection of personal data of adults?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/Chapz/statuses/116295922540481705https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/Chapz/statuses/116295922540481705Thu, 26 Mar 2026 14:22:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 13:17:56 GMT]]>@HennaVirkkunen

Just 2 cents: the EU should provide census API, so that it would be possible to verify age of people. Census is a govt job. There is no digital identity on internet.

This is a fault of governments. Once you create a digital ID to check with, then you have the right to complain about "you don't check their age".

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://x.keinpfusch.net/users/uriel/statuses/01KMN4PRB8P5JPYMF334FE1PEXhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://x.keinpfusch.net/users/uriel/statuses/01KMN4PRB8P5JPYMF334FE1PEXThu, 26 Mar 2026 13:17:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 13:14:53 GMT]]>https://pasarela.clave.gob.es/. Just the regulation enabling it have to make sure it doesn't store data on which sites you visit.

This service only has to respond to the provider's request affirmatively or negatively given legal conditions to access its site.

CC: @HennaVirkkunen@ec.social-network.europa.eu
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]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://maximalismo.red/david/p/1774530893.315582https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://maximalismo.red/david/p/1774530893.315582Thu, 26 Mar 2026 13:14:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Keeping kids safe online is a top priority. on Thu, 26 Mar 2026 13:14:10 GMT]]>@HennaVirkkunen personally I don't think age verification is something that works. It's like putting speedbumps on the highway because a few are driving too fast. Parents should educate their kids on how to use the internet. I would love to see more investigations on products our kids use that see show our kids stuff they should not see

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.community/users/ivolimmen/statuses/116295653800763890https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.community/users/ivolimmen/statuses/116295653800763890Thu, 26 Mar 2026 13:14:10 GMT