<![CDATA[i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical]]>i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical

i mean, there is a slight increase over the last two years but there's sufficient variance to avoid suggesting a trend

as i understand it, waymos tend to take people off busses and other forms of transit, rather than out of their own cars

so i'm doubtful it will lower deaths on the road, just the number of busses

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/f65149d5-d7c6-4a79-a59a-527f90157bb5/i-ve-heard-a-few-times-that-waymos-will-make-streets-safer-so-i-went-and-looked-up-sf-s-traffic-fatality-statistics-and-they-re-pretty-much-identicalRSS for NodeWed, 22 Apr 2026 09:15:03 GMTMon, 20 Apr 2026 03:14:13 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 17:46:02 GMT]]>@Rycaut I really hate this fake voice, which I have to turn off as I want to hear the original voice of the person in the video.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.green/users/thierna/statuses/116438280588229711https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.green/users/thierna/statuses/116438280588229711Mon, 20 Apr 2026 17:46:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:23:46 GMT]]>@tef, I can never remember what “CDC” is, other than being something foreign.

So I just think of it as the Cult of the Dead Cow, and now you do too.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/lp0_on_fire/statuses/116437957089099418https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.linux.pizza/users/lp0_on_fire/statuses/116437957089099418Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:23:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:19:26 GMT]]>@thesquirrelfish @vfig

Yeah I ran those articles past a friend who lived in a traditional village in Cameroon for a bit and he said that Bret is really overclaiming the universality there.

Devereaux knows his shit about the details of Roman economics and military organization, I have been reading his blog for years, but yeah I'm with you on that criticism.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/eestileib/statuses/116437940044832638https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/eestileib/statuses/116437940044832638Mon, 20 Apr 2026 16:19:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 15:43:30 GMT]]>@tef in pricipal, i agree with you, but in the spirit of “the purpose of a system is what is does”, the so-called "open web" is the very thing that has created so many of these harms.

surveillance capitalism, pervasive ad-tech, concentration of wealth & power in the hands of billionaire tech bros, abusive social media algorithms, etc.

i misgivings that preserving the "open web" we have is an unmitigated good.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/causticmsngo/statuses/116437798770659697https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/causticmsngo/statuses/116437798770659697Mon, 20 Apr 2026 15:43:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 15:29:06 GMT]]>@matt @tef Maybe Waymos mimic human drivers because they fall back to remote human drivers when the algorithm fails: https://www.newsweek.com/waymo-reveals-remote-workers-in-philippines-help-guide-its-driverless-cars-11478439

Does the driver have a valid license in your jurisdiction? Should they? If they blow past a stopped school bus at full speed, who gets cited? https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/ntsb-investigates-additional-incident-between-waymo-austin-isd/

Start peeling back the PR from any of this tech and it's all casual lawbreaking, denial of consent, and putting the public at risk with no recourse.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://oldbytes.space/users/arclight/statuses/116437742157527074https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://oldbytes.space/users/arclight/statuses/116437742157527074Mon, 20 Apr 2026 15:29:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 15:12:23 GMT]]>@tef This is particularly important because the people controlling the technology have shown no interest in achieving those good things. Good things rarely happen by change. So putting the emphasis on things that may magically appear is really just wishful thinking or a rethorical device to tell you are blocking some possible progress ignoring the bad already happening.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/antopatriarca/statuses/116437676441225673https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/antopatriarca/statuses/116437676441225673Mon, 20 Apr 2026 15:12:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 14:56:38 GMT]]>@tef "please believe our extremely cooked stats"

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jplebreton/statuses/116437614476590605https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jplebreton/statuses/116437614476590605Mon, 20 Apr 2026 14:56:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 14:55:49 GMT]]>@tef the booster arguments all boil down to "ah see for the real benefits to manifest, we need to eliminate all other forms of transit and subsidize three of the least trustworthy tech companies on the planet, *then* we'll have a transit utopia. in select cities. where it doesn't snow. no pets. etc"

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jplebreton/statuses/116437611265319657https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jplebreton/statuses/116437611265319657Mon, 20 Apr 2026 14:55:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 14:29:20 GMT]]>@vfig blog seems sus, makes this claim pretty early "pre-modern peasant farmers – a majority of all of the humans who have ever lived," when like farming hasn't been around for the majority of time humans have been around. Also later they make some huge assumptions that most people get weekends & 8 hour days & that's meeting what they call both sustainability and respectability needs.. and like I don't think a lot of people were like "oh yeah I can't wait to be a Roman peasant, the quality of life will be great, conquer me please" so using that as a placeholder for even other people of the era is not great.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sfba.social/users/thesquirrelfish/statuses/116437507123116867https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sfba.social/users/thesquirrelfish/statuses/116437507123116867Mon, 20 Apr 2026 14:29:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 14:11:38 GMT]]>@mro @tef

Indubitably, platforms and the cloud were a different world 20 years ago, more sane, before social media and ads everywhere. Another of the worst drifts has been any of the multiple trials to cancel or marginalize Internet standards in favor of proprietary protocols and formats.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://floss.social/users/gisgeek/statuses/116437437575406690https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://floss.social/users/gisgeek/statuses/116437437575406690Mon, 20 Apr 2026 14:11:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 13:28:55 GMT]]>@tef it's kind of secondary to your main point in this thread, but I think it's generally a mistake to conflate the "ML" definition of AI with the "everything's an LLM now" one

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://functional.cafe/users/hungryjoe/statuses/116437269566530403https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://functional.cafe/users/hungryjoe/statuses/116437269566530403Mon, 20 Apr 2026 13:28:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 13:14:42 GMT]]>@tef

We are already super close to curing cancer and LLMs had nothing to do with it. LLMs had nothing to do with protein folding either; that was a related but different tech. All of the elision going on merging LLMs and other distinct and revolutionary ML applications is purposeful and mendacious.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://dice.camp/users/johnzajac/statuses/116437213689361046https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://dice.camp/users/johnzajac/statuses/116437213689361046Mon, 20 Apr 2026 13:14:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 12:55:55 GMT]]>@tef maybe, and I want to stress it's just an idea of mine, of which I'm not sure, they are killing the open web to give us AI also in order to control us more. Let me explain: you can't easily run an "AI" on you own pc unless you can spend a lot in hardware (and electricity of course). So you need to rely on their data centers , and so no more private stuff in your pc... everything flows in their hands. The open web is maybe more freedom than they are willing to allow us ? Should this idea be true then this requires us to fight back, unless we want to give up our freedom. Which I don't personally.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://snowfan.it/users/andre123/statuses/116437139812945717https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://snowfan.it/users/andre123/statuses/116437139812945717Mon, 20 Apr 2026 12:55:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 12:41:40 GMT]]>@tef
The medical industry doesn't even *want* to cure cancer. Plenty of researchers do of course, but we have to contend with the fact that the people who *fund* research have literally said out loud that they don't want to cure cancer because it would interfere with their profits.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://dice.camp/users/artemis/statuses/116437083774068559https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://dice.camp/users/artemis/statuses/116437083774068559Mon, 20 Apr 2026 12:41:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 12:38:27 GMT]]>@tef This comparison is really clarifying for me, because I'm coming up against a lot of "what if"s where blind people like me are used to justify AI because we benefit from it so much. Not all of which is imaginary but it's really exaggerated and context-specific.

And the reaction to any problem I mention is "oh you/other blind people just need to learn about it, get used to it, skill issue." No! It is not just a skill issue.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mspsocial.net/users/bright_helpings/statuses/116437071102928372https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mspsocial.net/users/bright_helpings/statuses/116437071102928372Mon, 20 Apr 2026 12:38:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 12:27:00 GMT]]>@vfig @EndlessMason @tef It does feed into a weird revanchism that is popular on both the right and the left, though.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://twit.social/users/MisuseCase/statuses/116437026105937566https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://twit.social/users/MisuseCase/statuses/116437026105937566Mon, 20 Apr 2026 12:27:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 12:23:23 GMT]]>@tef I listened to an excellent podcast yesterday on 'Neuroprivacy' - a brilliant example of cooperation between ethical/legal and technical expertise working very hard to make new neurotechnologies a net positive by considering and guarding against social harms whilst the technology is still developing.

From the @eff podcast:
https://cdn.simplecast.com/audio/1c515ea8-cb6d-4f72-8d17-bc9b7a566869/episodes/3955c653-7346-44d2-82e2-0238931bcfd9/audio/6ce9ce71-a66a-46ba-9472-890fadb7ff08/default_tc.mp3

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.community/users/GinevraCat/statuses/116437011860121931https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.community/users/GinevraCat/statuses/116437011860121931Mon, 20 Apr 2026 12:23:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 12:11:46 GMT]]>@tef I think we are more likely to be destroyed by a Vogon construction crew.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/Lightfighter/statuses/116436966229982466https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/Lightfighter/statuses/116436966229982466Mon, 20 Apr 2026 12:11:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 11:55:41 GMT]]>@vfig @tef
So they even had "you got time to lean? You got time to clean." back then too? Interesting.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/EndlessMason/statuses/116436902977961010https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/EndlessMason/statuses/116436902977961010Mon, 20 Apr 2026 11:55:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 11:45:30 GMT]]>@tef Does anybody believe that in private investor pitches, Elon Musk tells people that RoboTaxis will mean that nobody needs to buy a Tesla? No!

He tells investors that the market for RoboTaxis are all the municipal transit lines everywhere, and that while Waymo may look like competition, they're actually frenemies dismantling public transit.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.bau-ha.us/users/raganwald/statuses/116436862926821469https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.bau-ha.us/users/raganwald/statuses/116436862926821469Mon, 20 Apr 2026 11:45:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 11:42:16 GMT]]>@tef What if the temperature of the water starts going back down again, magically? Then you frogs who jumped out are going to look pretty foolish!

Did I say water and frogs? What if climate change fixes itself magically? Why don't we wait and see?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.bau-ha.us/users/raganwald/statuses/116436850186350088https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.bau-ha.us/users/raganwald/statuses/116436850186350088Mon, 20 Apr 2026 11:42:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 11:40:39 GMT]]>@tef i do wonder if this is intentional, now that the internet has been fully scraped it doesn't need to exist any more and in fact must not because it can't be monetized/controlled like an llm service can be

i despair

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/bakachu/statuses/116436843860714671https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/bakachu/statuses/116436843860714671Mon, 20 Apr 2026 11:40:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 11:18:23 GMT]]>@tef Self-driving cars, have the *potential* to be safer, but only as part of a holistic change to the way we approach transportation and urban planning as a society that would include decreasing the need and desire for individual conveyances in the first place. Most of the rest of that change kinda has to happen *first* before self-driving cars will actually be able to provide any benefit.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://myside-yourside.net/users/StarkRG/statuses/116436756277133317https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://myside-yourside.net/users/StarkRG/statuses/116436756277133317Mon, 20 Apr 2026 11:18:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i've heard a few times that "waymos will make streets safer" so i went and looked up sf's traffic fatality statistics and they're pretty much identical on Mon, 20 Apr 2026 11:05:20 GMT]]>@tef I wasn’t thinking about peasants, but about the protest/fights between craft guilds and whoever installed the clocks and control system.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://drupal.community/users/Klara/statuses/116436705017160618https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://drupal.community/users/Klara/statuses/116436705017160618Mon, 20 Apr 2026 11:05:20 GMT