<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people!]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people!</p><p>It's easist to see for plants that move, like a Venus fly trap.  But experiments have shown it's true for others too.  </p><p>We're still struggling to figure out what this means.  We don't really know how anesthetics work, but here's a clue: you don't need to have neurons to get anesthetized!</p>

<div class="row mt-3"><div class="col-12 mt-3"><img class="img-thumbnail" src="https://media.mathstodon.xyz/media_attachments/files/116/600/413/019/534/135/original/db1f422bfa5b5ea3.jpg" alt="Link Preview Image" /></div></div>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/f125ef33-4ea2-4817-b3f6-e64309ddc414/wow-you-can-knock-out-a-plant-with-anesthetics-the-same-anesthetics-that-work-on-people</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Mon, 25 May 2026 08:20:32 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/f125ef33-4ea2-4817-b3f6-e64309ddc414.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 09:02:35 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 17:50:55 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> <br />I remember the Yellow Shell No-Pest strips and other insecticides. Your could feel them as soon as you walked into a place that had one or been sprayed with Raid.</p>

<div class="row mt-3"><div class="col-12 mt-3"><img class="img-thumbnail" src="https://s3.eu-central-2.wasabisys.com/mastodonworld/media_attachments/files/116/602/503/836/672/857/original/0ae398d11341f1c1.jpeg" alt="Link Preview Image" /></div></div>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.world/users/stevewfolds/statuses/116602506810400905</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.world/users/stevewfolds/statuses/116602506810400905</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[stevewfolds@mastodon.world]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 17:50:55 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 17:31:13 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> On the downside we may have hurt a lot of life before.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/115831478228446444/statuses/116602429344880584</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/ap/users/115831478228446444/statuses/116602429344880584</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.net]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 17:31:13 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 17:27:46 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> This is wild!</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shark.community/users/FurryBeta/statuses/116602415759368019</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shark.community/users/FurryBeta/statuses/116602415759368019</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[furrybeta@shark.community]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 17:27:46 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 15:34:02 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/tpfto%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>tpfto</span></a></span> I don't recall reading it directly, but I have certainly read material that was influenced by it.  Thank you for sharing!</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/heptapodEnthusiast/statuses/116601968550611685</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/heptapodEnthusiast/statuses/116601968550611685</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[heptapodenthusiast@mathstodon.xyz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 15:34:02 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 15:20:09 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/@heptapodEnthusiast">@<span>heptapodEnthusiast</span></a></span> regarding the lipid rafts, there is in fact a (relatively recent) paper that posits this theory: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2004259117" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://</span><span>doi.org/10.1073/pnas.2004259117</span><span></span></a> . Perhaps you've seen it already? (cc. <span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span>)</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/tpfto/statuses/116601913938374292</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/tpfto/statuses/116601913938374292</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[tpfto@mathstodon.xyz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 15:20:09 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 15:13:49 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/elexia%40catcatnya.com">@<span>elexia</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/izzychambers%40social.vivaldi.net">@<span>IzzyChambers</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> My personal bet is that, when we say "consciousness" without mysticism, what we really mean is "awake" aka "able to perceive and react to external stimuli".  In which case, single cells are absolutely capable of being conscious, and the difference from our own experience is one of size scale and complexity.</p><p>Even for animal life, animals of different body sizes have radically different types of situational awareness, so it's not surprising we struggle to imagine what a single-celled organism like *Stentor coeruleus* "thinks" of its experiences.</p><p>It's a little humbling to think of your individual cells having their own opinions about how "the weather" (your metabolic inner life) has been lately.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/heptapodEnthusiast/statuses/116601889041251424</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/heptapodEnthusiast/statuses/116601889041251424</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[heptapodenthusiast@mathstodon.xyz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 15:13:49 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 15:02:21 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/tpfto%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>tpfto</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> My personal amateur guess is that the gaseous anaesthetics are disrupting the formation or dissolution of lipid rafts, which regulate a lot of the traffic through the cell membrane.  AIUI, lipid rafts more or less work by locally changing the stiffness and hydrophobicity of the patch of membrane they form on.  If the gas dissolves into the lipid bilayer and changes either property, it could alter ion channels, endo/exocytosis, and more.  Any eukaryotic cell would be vulnerable to an effect like that.  (And perhaps bacteria and archaea too, but I don't remember enough of their membrane chemistry to say anything reliable.)</p><p>And regardless of how such anaesthetics affect the cell membrane, I suspect their narrow therapeutic index comes from disrupting the function of the mitochondrial membrane.  Depolarizing the mitochondria (by making them leaky or by blocking their proton pumps) is lethal for most eukaryotic cells, since the H+ gradient across the inner membrane is what powers aerobic ATP synthesis.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/heptapodEnthusiast/statuses/116601844003466801</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/heptapodEnthusiast/statuses/116601844003466801</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[heptapodenthusiast@mathstodon.xyz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 15:02:21 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 14:56:26 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/climatejenny%40biodiversity.social">@<span>ClimateJenny</span></a></span> </p><p>Indeed - I've been a fly on the wall of such debates.  Plant capabilities themselves are stunning and worthy of note.</p><p>But discussions of "consciousness" / "sentience" always devolve into semantic nonsense.  Often a pseudo-resolution comes with something like "For any *reasonable* definition of (consciousness / sentience) plants ..."</p><p>But as a behavioral neuroscientist, I can tell you I've yet to encounter a reasonable definition of either of these terms.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sciences.social/users/jmcclure/statuses/116601820706573331</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sciences.social/users/jmcclure/statuses/116601820706573331</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[jmcclure@sciences.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 14:56:26 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 14:44:48 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/maxpool%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>maxpool</span></a></span> I noted this in a different response to this thread, but for what little we know about how inhalational anesthetics work, we at least know that the more lipophilic (that is, how well they dissolve in fats) they are, the more potent their effect is; for the noble gases, this is then also correlated with their atomic polarizability (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarizability" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://</span><span>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polariza</span><span>bility</span></a>). So, helium, neon, and argon display almost no anesthetic activity, but krypton and xenon do. In fact, argon will only display anesthetic activity at hyperbaric (pressure greater than atmospheric pressure) conditions, where its solubility in fats is enhanced. See the survey of Winkler and others, e.g. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1016/j.pharmthera.2016.02.002" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://</span><span>doi.org/10.1016/j.pharmthera.2</span><span>016.02.002</span></a> and <a href="https://doi.org/10.3390/oxygen4040026" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://</span><span>doi.org/10.3390/oxygen4040026</span><span></span></a> . (cc. <span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://mathstodon.xyz/@heptapodEnthusiast">@<span>heptapodEnthusiast</span></a></span>)</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/tpfto/statuses/116601774945380791</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/tpfto/statuses/116601774945380791</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[tpfto@mathstodon.xyz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 14:44:48 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 14:35:13 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/izzychambers%40social.vivaldi.net" rel="nofollow noopener">@<span>IzzyChambers</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz" rel="nofollow noopener">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> I wouldn't rule it out, just think it's very improbable given what we currently know about these things.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://catcatnya.com/users/elexia/statuses/116601737293992721</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://catcatnya.com/users/elexia/statuses/116601737293992721</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[elexia@catcatnya.com]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 14:35:13 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 14:30:33 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz" rel="ugc">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> wait a sec.<br />it plants and animals diverged from each other before the whole "multiple cells" thing, (my admittedly noncomprehensive education implies they do) and anaesthetics work on both, then can you anaesthetise an amoeba?<br />Because that feels like it'd be the logical next step.]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://suya.place/objects/7997bb4a-c53c-4c59-b8cd-1475cfe0846f</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://suya.place/objects/7997bb4a-c53c-4c59-b8cd-1475cfe0846f</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[dhfir@suya.place]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 14:30:33 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 14:22:01 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/elexia%40catcatnya.com">@<span>elexia</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> Maybe, but given that we don't have a clear understanding of what consciousness is or how plants process information, I don't think we can rule it out.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/IzzyChambers/statuses/116601685382225819</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/IzzyChambers/statuses/116601685382225819</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[izzychambers@social.vivaldi.net]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 14:22:01 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 14:19:01 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> As someone who has been aneasthetised recently, it is somewhat humbling/disturbing to be reminded that we basically don't understand why or how it works and that as far as the aneasthetist is  concerned - we might as well be plants.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/1a1nC/statuses/116601673607454530</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/1a1nC/statuses/116601673607454530</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[1a1nc@mastodon.online]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 14:19:01 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 14:16:09 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/tpfto%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>tpfto</span></a></span> </p><p>*takes off surgical gown, sadly puts away scythe*</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://beige.party/users/djm62/statuses/116601662307771084</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://beige.party/users/djm62/statuses/116601662307771084</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[djm62@beige.party]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 14:16:09 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 14:14:50 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/tpfto%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>tpfto</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/djm62%40beige.party">@<span>djm62</span></a></span> - I was definitely *not* really suggesting spraying chloroform on your lawn.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/johncarlosbaez/statuses/116601657119406054</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/johncarlosbaez/statuses/116601657119406054</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 14:14:50 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 14:10:00 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/izzychambers%40social.vivaldi.net" rel="nofollow noopener">@<span>IzzyChambers</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz" rel="nofollow noopener">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> consciousness is still a very different matter and not something we even would know how to measure. we can only go off what seems to produce it in humans and how other living things might act similarly. plants don't just lack nerve cells, they also lack something analogous to a central nervous system to integrate information. far as I understand it if plants possess consciousness we're either very very wrong about the prerequisites and purpose of consciousness or very very wrong about how plants function. and we wouldn't really be able to test it either way.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://catcatnya.com/users/elexia/statuses/116601638116256500</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://catcatnya.com/users/elexia/statuses/116601638116256500</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[elexia@catcatnya.com]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 14:10:00 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 14:09:49 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/djm62%40beige.party">@<span>djm62</span></a></span> I got the joke ;), but possibly contaminating the water table with chloroform can be problematic, and people actually are concerned about chloroform contamination in drinking water. This is because chloroform is often a product of the chlorine used to disinfect water reacting with organic material that has not been carefully removed by filtration or other means (cf. <a href="https://doi.org/10.1080/15287390252807957" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://</span><span>doi.org/10.1080/15287390252807</span><span>957</span></a> and <a href="https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/wash-documents/wash-chemicals/trihalomethanes.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://www.</span><span>who.int/docs/default-source/wa</span><span>sh-documents/wash-chemicals/trihalomethanes.pdf</span></a>)</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/tpfto/statuses/116601637378079031</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/tpfto/statuses/116601637378079031</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[tpfto@mathstodon.xyz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 14:09:49 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 14:06:05 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> </p><p>The weird thing is that plant cells have discrete action potentials, but C. elegans (the roundworm) does not[1]. </p><p>C. elegans has a nervous system made of 302 neurons with graded potentials (no spikes, meaning they are 'analog') and no myelin to work as wire insulation. Its signaling is slow. C. Elegans cognition is mix of  of mechanical, chemical and electrical signals.  </p><p>Mechanical stetching opens ion channels in the neurons, generating signals. Neurons can react external touching or internal movement. Internal mechanical feedback is part of its thinking and movement. </p><p>[1]: as far as I know.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/maxpool/statuses/116601622698818356</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/maxpool/statuses/116601622698818356</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[maxpool@mathstodon.xyz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 14:06:05 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 13:56:04 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> very interesting, thanks for pulling that one up! It's wild that lidocaine actually works on plants that move. Indeed, the inhalational anesthetics are poorly understood with respect to their mechanism of action, but we at least know that their being lipophilic (i.e., how well they dissolve in fats and other non-aqueous media) correlates well with their potency.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/tpfto/statuses/116601583365836817</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/tpfto/statuses/116601583365836817</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[tpfto@mathstodon.xyz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 13:56:04 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 13:38:56 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/tpfto%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>tpfto</span></a></span> - </p><p>"The angular displacement in Mimosa and in Venus was measured to compare the drugged groups with control groups. Assumed p-value = 0,01, amlodipine showed have no significant effects vs. control in mimosa and Venus flytrap (p &gt; 0,10) with 118 degrees of freedom. In the same way ketamine had no significant effects vs. control in mimosa and Venus flytrap (p &gt; 0,10). Lidocaine had significant effect vs. control group in mimosa causing strong immobilization of the petioles (p &lt; 0,001) and spontaneous closing of leaflets, but not in Venus Flytrap (0,02 &gt; p &gt; 0,01). Ether had an evident effect in Mimosa and Venus Flytrap (p &lt; 0,001) causing almost total immobilization."</p><p><div class="card col-md-9 col-lg-6 position-relative link-preview p-0">

<div class="card-body">
<h5 class="card-title">
<a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.4161/psb.21000">
Just a moment...
</a>
</h5>
<p class="card-text line-clamp-3"></p>
</div>
<a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.4161/psb.21000" class="card-footer text-body-secondary small d-flex gap-2 align-items-center lh-2">



<img src="https://www.tandfonline.com/favicon.ico" alt="favicon" class="not-responsive overflow-hiddden" style="max-width: 21px; max-height: 21px;" />



<p class="d-inline-block text-truncate mb-0"> <span class="text-secondary">(www.tandfonline.com)</span></p>
</a>
</div></p><p>Ether is in the group of anesthetic vapors whose functioning is mysterious, along with chloroform and even argon and xenon.  These are the ones that seem to work on plants as well as animals.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/johncarlosbaez/statuses/116601515962091736</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/johncarlosbaez/statuses/116601515962091736</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 13:38:56 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 13:34:58 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/jmcclure%40sciences.social">@<span>jmcclure</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/climatejenny%40biodiversity.social">@<span>ClimateJenny</span></a></span> - thanks, Jenny and Jesse!   The research on anesthetics has caused a controversy on whether plants are "conscious".  I didn't want to mention that in my main post because I find most discussions of consciousness very irritating: people don't define their terms and some treat consciousness, sentience and awareness as the same while others don't, etc., and it become just as bad as "interpretations of quantum mechanics".   But I enjoy learning actual facts about how animals and plants behave!</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/johncarlosbaez/statuses/116601500383673832</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/johncarlosbaez/statuses/116601500383673832</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[johncarlosbaez@mathstodon.xyz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 13:34:58 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 13:34:49 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> in fact, there has been some research on "plant nervous systems", in that even though plants do not have full-blown neurons like animals do, they display traits like depolarization waves, neurotransmitter analogues, etc.; see for instance the work of Brenner et al. (<a href="https://doi.org/10.1016/j.tplants.2006.06.009" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://</span><span>doi.org/10.1016/j.tplants.2006</span><span>.06.009</span></a>) and Sibaoka (<a href="https://doi.org/10.1007/BF02493405" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://</span><span>doi.org/10.1007/BF02493405</span><span></span></a>). On that note, I wonder if these anesthetics would also influence the drooping of Mimosa pudica:</p>

<div class="row mt-3"><div class="col-12 mt-3"><div class="ratio ratio-16x9">
<video controls width="220" height="164">
<source src="https://media.mathstodon.xyz/media_attachments/files/116/601/494/636/335/362/original/0a683dd46cd8a809.mp4" type="video/mp4"></source>
</video>
</div></div></div>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/tpfto/statuses/116601499808915718</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/tpfto/statuses/116601499808915718</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[tpfto@mathstodon.xyz]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 13:34:49 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 13:31:45 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> Michael Pollan discusses this in his recent book on consciousness, A World Appears. Floored me. Are plants conscious?</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/IzzyChambers/statuses/116601487688279765</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/IzzyChambers/statuses/116601487688279765</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[izzychambers@social.vivaldi.net]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 13:31:45 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Wow: you can knock out a plant with anesthetics - the same anesthetics that work on people! on Tue, 19 May 2026 13:02:22 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/climatejenny%40biodiversity.social">@<span>ClimateJenny</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/johncarlosbaez%40mathstodon.xyz">@<span>johncarlosbaez</span></a></span> </p><p>I also came here to recommend Zoe Schlanger's "The Light Eaters" (which presents a range of evidence of plant capabilities that we would associate with sentience).</p><p>I'll have to check out "What a Plant Knows" now too.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sciences.social/users/jmcclure/statuses/116601372204601961</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sciences.social/users/jmcclure/statuses/116601372204601961</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[jmcclure@sciences.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 13:02:22 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>