<![CDATA[The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you.]]>The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. Tracking protection, adblockers, none of that in here for you!

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Pavel A. Samsonov (@PavelASamsonov@mastodon.social)

Attached: 1 image Love how every website now has a popup that tells you "our website is hot dogshit, download the app instead" And then the app is just an Electron wrapper around the same JS they could have put on the website if they didn't hate you personally

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They leave out, "for us"

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tldr.nettime.org/users/tomjennings/statuses/116635987037533185https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tldr.nettime.org/users/tomjennings/statuses/116635987037533185Mon, 25 May 2026 15:45:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 14:44:29 GMT]]>@mhoye
Well, they just said it's better. They didn't say it was better for *you*.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.community/users/Cameopilot/statuses/116635747554785752https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.community/users/Cameopilot/statuses/116635747554785752Mon, 25 May 2026 14:44:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 14:02:09 GMT]]>@cwbussard @ianjs @PRSXFENG @jwz @mhoye @pluralistic

That line also stood out to me: “Revenue lost from an audience of which 85% expects or accepts ads as part of the experience. The irony is cruel, but it doesn’t have to be this way.”

Expects and accepts are VERY different things. I expect to deal with a bunch of homophobic bullshit when I am in Texas. I have never at any moment of my life accepted it. This is massive false equivalency, and also nothing about that is ironic. And until ad networks stop serving malware, it really DOES have to be this way.

We apologize for or revel in our cruelty.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/Negahyphen/statuses/116635581132221576https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/Negahyphen/statuses/116635581132221576Mon, 25 May 2026 14:02:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 13:52:46 GMT]]>@ianjs @PRSXFENG @jwz @mhoye @pluralistic

"I especially like 'Revenue lost from an audience of which 85% expects or accepts ads'. You mean, the ones who went to the trouble of blocking them?"

Exactly. This isn't any use to someone actually trying to sell a product or service. There probably isn't a single person on earth -- not even one -- who's going to go, "Oh gee, you bypassed my ad-blocker, but, instead of being pissed off at you, I'm going to take a look at your ad, click it, and buy the advertised product."

What's the point then? Probably ad fraud. Charging the companies trying to sell products/services for showing their ad more times, even though those additional showings have zero chance of leading to a sale.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://ioc.exchange/users/cwbussard/statuses/116635544239152347https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://ioc.exchange/users/cwbussard/statuses/116635544239152347Mon, 25 May 2026 13:52:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 13:20:10 GMT]]>@PRSXFENG @jwz @mhoye @pluralistic

What the HELL are they smoking?

Your users will welcome you trying to defeat their attempts to defeat your ads. ?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/JHB17/statuses/116635416013902555https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/JHB17/statuses/116635416013902555Mon, 25 May 2026 13:20:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 12:32:15 GMT]]>@PRSXFENG @jwz @mhoye @pluralistic Wow that's dark.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/AMS/statuses/116635227649032472https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/AMS/statuses/116635227649032472Mon, 25 May 2026 12:32:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 12:12:26 GMT]]>Oh by the way.

In case you weren't aware

they're the folks behind html-load[.]com and report.error-report[.]com

You've probably seen them around

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/PRSXFENG/statuses/116635149665611183https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/PRSXFENG/statuses/116635149665611183Mon, 25 May 2026 12:12:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 11:27:09 GMT]]>@pluralistic

Oh by the way, these guys holds some patents

US-12438933-B2

"Method and device for providing advertisement by counteracting on violent advertisement blocking function "

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/PRSXFENG/statuses/116634971612589406https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/PRSXFENG/statuses/116634971612589406Mon, 25 May 2026 11:27:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 11:17:04 GMT]]>@GroupNebula563

you should view source on that webpage, the data validation is entirely vibe coded lol

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]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/PRSXFENG/statuses/116634931958453969https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/PRSXFENG/statuses/116634931958453969Mon, 25 May 2026 11:17:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 09:57:24 GMT]]>@jwz @mhoye @pluralistic

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]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.fthevenet.eu/users/fred/statuses/01KSF92PH6SVQJWF738N3DR4J4https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.fthevenet.eu/users/fred/statuses/01KSF92PH6SVQJWF738N3DR4J4Mon, 25 May 2026 09:57:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 09:04:59 GMT]]>@PRSXFENG @mhoye @pluralistic ...ew jwz is in this thread

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/GroupNebula563/statuses/116634412623019921https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/GroupNebula563/statuses/116634412623019921Mon, 25 May 2026 09:04:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 09:04:20 GMT]]>@PRSXFENG @jwz @mhoye @pluralistic i just used their "free consultation" form to request a consultation on meatspin dot com. hope they enjoy that

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/GroupNebula563/statuses/116634410024891899https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/GroupNebula563/statuses/116634410024891899Mon, 25 May 2026 09:04:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 08:52:26 GMT]]>@sakhavi @mhoye [huge banner] GO USE THE APP

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[tiny link to the fuckin web page]

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://circumstances.run/users/davidgerard/statuses/116634363271672325https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://circumstances.run/users/davidgerard/statuses/116634363271672325Mon, 25 May 2026 08:52:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 07:57:41 GMT]]>@robinadams @jwz @mhoye @pluralistic

they say some wild stuff, check out other blog posts
https://www.ad-shield.io/blog/will-restoring-ads-for-dark-traffic-harm-user-experience

"Recover where there is clear user tolerance. IT-level environments, bundled solutions, default opt-ins — audiences where blocking was never an explicit user choice."

yeah right, the IT Manager made the decision, and you overrode it with some wild justifications

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/PRSXFENG/statuses/116634148000055080https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/PRSXFENG/statuses/116634148000055080Mon, 25 May 2026 07:57:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 07:56:40 GMT]]>@jwz @mhoye @pluralistic I know at least one of y'all hates the A-word, but my lineageOS with adaway commits them felonies daily, with zero ads in any apps

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://defcon.social/ap/users/116475943978454927/statuses/116634144001776957https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://defcon.social/ap/users/116475943978454927/statuses/116634144001776957Mon, 25 May 2026 07:56:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 07:56:09 GMT]]>@PRSXFENG @jwz @mhoye @pluralistic "Publishers are increasingly focused on building owned audiences."

Shhhh, you're not supposed to say that part out loud.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/robinadams/statuses/116634141925991032https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mathstodon.xyz/users/robinadams/statuses/116634141925991032Mon, 25 May 2026 07:56:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 05:38:39 GMT]]>@jwz @mhoye @pluralistic
Never use an app when the webpage will do.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://techhub.social/users/VintageVeloce/statuses/116633601309273684https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://techhub.social/users/VintageVeloce/statuses/116633601309273684Mon, 25 May 2026 05:38:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 05:24:56 GMT]]>@jwz @PRSXFENG @mhoye I use "Kill sticky" instead of "hide distracting" but same thing:

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GitHub - t-mart/kill-sticky: Bookmarklet to remove sticky elements and restore scrolling to web pages!

Bookmarklet to remove sticky elements and restore scrolling to web pages! - t-mart/kill-sticky

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(also works for pesky toolbars and any other element whose CSS is set to "stick" when the user scrolls)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mamot.fr/users/pluralistic/statuses/116633547332369804https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mamot.fr/users/pluralistic/statuses/116633547332369804Mon, 25 May 2026 05:24:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 05:21:36 GMT]]>@PRSXFENG @mhoye @pluralistic Default Reader Mode FTW https://jwz.org/b/yk21

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jwz/statuses/116633534248226766https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jwz/statuses/116633534248226766Mon, 25 May 2026 05:21:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Mon, 25 May 2026 04:30:04 GMT]]>@jwz @mhoye @pluralistic

There is also a very pesky anti adblocker on the web that is coming for mobile.

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Ad-Shield Now Restores In-App Ads For Adblocking Traffic - Ad-Shield

Ad-Shield launches in-app ad recovery for adblocking traffic. Android beta live, iOS coming soon — restore lost revenue from VPN and network-level dark traffic.

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(www.ad-shield.io)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/PRSXFENG/statuses/116633331613642807https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mas.to/users/PRSXFENG/statuses/116633331613642807Mon, 25 May 2026 04:30:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Sun, 24 May 2026 21:23:36 GMT]]>@mhoye Often wonder if I’m the only user who gets their email from the mobile web. Boy does the platform hate it. I don’t know what is forcing them to keep allowing it instead of simply forcing people to use their app if they ever want to see their data again, but there must be something, bc I KNOW they’re not maintaining this version voluntarily.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://aoir.social/users/sakhavi/statuses/116631654658037637https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://aoir.social/users/sakhavi/statuses/116631654658037637Sun, 24 May 2026 21:23:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Sun, 24 May 2026 19:28:13 GMT]]>@mhoye I like @pluralistic's line, "An app is just a web-page wrapped in enough IP to make it a felony to block ads in it".

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jwz/statuses/116631200927360139https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jwz/statuses/116631200927360139Sun, 24 May 2026 19:28:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Sun, 24 May 2026 19:23:40 GMT]]>@mhoye plus you can package a lot more intrusive shit alongside Electron, let's say address book extraction 😕

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hci.social/users/floe/statuses/116631183046561095https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hci.social/users/floe/statuses/116631183046561095Sun, 24 May 2026 19:23:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to The only difference is that electron wrapper is a browser that works for them, not for you. on Sun, 24 May 2026 19:13:11 GMT]]>@mhoye Same reason they want you to download their fuckass apps for your phone, too.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://en.osm.town/ap/users/115702352497105111/statuses/116631141858065473https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://en.osm.town/ap/users/115702352497105111/statuses/116631141858065473Sun, 24 May 2026 19:13:11 GMT