The sample clearly is biased. For instance, the number of men who have more than 1 sexual partner in the US is not 95%, see https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066.

I had thought there was more predatory attempts since the whole Andrew Tate and masculinity coaching online.

I get the principle of what you mean, but I think you've misread what they actually _did_ - in that the people who gave answers on Reddit weren't their main sample that they're reporting on.

It was more like: They used an analysis of the older Reddit answers to see what themes were there, to help them design the questions they would ask in the main bit. Then they got a different lot of people who were the main sample.

I'm not saying the main sample _wasn't_ biased - they describe some of the ways it was, like being primarily US-based, and their own specifications of age range & recent sexual history. But they did a better job than just going via Reddit.

@gabriel

#stats #sex #coercion

@gabriel

It has always been like this. In my early 10's, 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's and still now 60's. And long before. Hopefully not long after me.

First sentence introduction:
"What is striking about sexual aggression is that despite decades of research, public health initiatives, education, media attention, and policy focus, there has been no discernible decrease in rates since first assessed in the 1980s and 1990s."

@amydiehl

"A sample of 3,011 self-identified men ages 18 to 34 (Mage = 27.31) was recruited in the Spring of 2023 using an online panel (Qualtrics Research Suite) that invited all men who met criteria into the study. The study was described as exploring positive and negative interactions between men and women in sexual situations. The consent form indicated that the survey was men’s opportunity “to provide their side of the story given that we have heard so much from women” about male–female sexual interactions, repeatedly assuring them of their guaranteed anonymity. ...

"Men were eligible if they self-identified as men, were in the age range 18 to 34 years, and reported having had a sexual encounter with a woman in the past 2 years. ...

"Participants were asked “In the past four years, how many times have you used any of the following strategies to get (or try to get) a woman to have some type of sex when she did not want to have sex or acted like she did not want to have sex? (Only women you have recently met—no sex or dating history with them beforehand).”"

So, @gabriel - yes the researchers were focusing on pressure tactics, but this cohort wasn't recruited _from_ people who _already_ said they had pressured women into sex.

On the other hand, @amydiehl, I think the "sexual encounter with a woman in the past 2 years" criterion is a significant distinction from men-of-that-age in general, because there will be men who aren't using the pressure tactics and _haven't_ had sex with a woman in the last 2 years - and those seem to me quite obviously _not_ independent variables. Young men who are just chilling with their friends, or who are "waiting for the right person", or indeed who are isolated and unhappy and never leave their house, simply aren't part of this cohort.

For this reason, even though the paper says
"RQ1: What proportion of men report a history of using strategies to force a woman to have sex?" ... I don't see how they think they're measuring that.

It's still valuable for the list of tactics and the relative prevalence of the tactics in relation to each other. And it does of course show that there are thousands of blokes who think it's okay to push reluctant women into sex, which is yikesy enough.

Open to contradiction if I've read it wrong!

#stats #sex #coercion

Imho you're not doing that.

Obviously, even if only a small fraction of men are doing this shit (and we know it's not a small fraction), all men are obligated to do better to make it stop. You didn't say anything against that. I wish you were not attacked over this and we could focus on the problem at hand with knowledge of the real data ‍️

@LeslieBurns @amydiehl

Unveiling how violent human (and specifically male!) sexuality is will hopefully help our species and societies become better and make things safer... (especially for women, who receive and suffer through the vast majority of this violence)

Reading the article, I have semantic questions - basically:
- Where does persuasion end and non-consent begin?
- Where does privacy end and isolation begin?

This may be a language barrier thing (not a native English speaker), but what is the EXACT question for the "telling whatever she wanted to hear" item? Because (simplified example) if she says she'll have sex with a man if "he's gentle" or "he uses protection", and he /actually/ does, I don't think this should show up in the survey as violent, it should only count as a violent act if the things said were disingenuous.

It might be good if the verbatim survey questions and layouts used to display them were part of the supplementary material.

And given that sex is usually illegal in public, making privacy a prerequisite, of course one partner taking the other(s) somewhere private and controlled (where nobody can walk in unexpectedly) is to be expected for pretty much any sexual act? (I would distinguish this from men doing this to isolate/"impress"/intimidate, but I am not sure the study questionnaire would provide this distinction, or provide clarification for men answering the question)

Lastly, and I hate to say it given how it sounds, would love to see the same survey done with women. (because difference in differences can be a useful metric here to show us what is wrong qualitatively - same as for domestic violence, stating the ratio of transgressions can shut up whataboutists and their ilk)

Quote:
The most common strategy was telling a woman whatever she wanted to hear and this was used by the majority (78.1%) of the 2,557 men reporting any history of forced sex. The following strategies were reported by order of frequency: asked her repeatedly to have sex (48.6%); had a friend, partner, or group of friends help you get what you want (46.6%), had a female friend make the woman feel safe and convince her (43.8%), told her you knew she wanted it (39.3%), focused on a stranger to have sex with (37.9%), had a female friend bring her to you (37.6%), and got her away from everyone to somewhere private and under your control (37.5%).

What does having multiple partners have to do with this at all? Rape can happen in monogamous relationships too, you ghoul.