<![CDATA[i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future)]]>i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/cf5c6b4f-cbd4-47cf-a39c-51d258e6d5bb/i-plan-to-package-openrsync-this-weekend-in-alpine-as-an-alternative-to-rsync-and-probably-switch-the-default-rsync-implementation-in-futureRSS for NodeFri, 05 Jun 2026 15:32:52 GMTFri, 29 May 2026 21:07:32 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 13:51:17 GMT]]>@ariadne mycal software network

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://merveilles.town/users/lrhodes/statuses/116663849914616127https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://merveilles.town/users/lrhodes/statuses/116663849914616127Sat, 30 May 2026 13:51:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 13:38:31 GMT]]>@ariadne
Less applicable to rsync, but "bootstrap chain".

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.acm.org/users/nobody/statuses/116663799767540912https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.acm.org/users/nobody/statuses/116663799767540912Sat, 30 May 2026 13:38:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 13:35:42 GMT]]>@davidgerard @bri7 @ariadne Old tarball install instructions commonly used "prerequisites", but there usually was no dependency tree (like if application X depended on a certain version of library P, you'd usually have to check P's INSTALL to find out you need some version of F to build it in the first place.)

To me, "upstream" usually designates a maintained source that you're deviating from for your own reasons, but that you'd still like to keep generally in sync with. That's something else than a dependency on a foreign component.

Anyways, "dependency tree" seems fine, and doesn't carry the connotation of a commercial relationship... (What happened to "the entire risk as to the quality and performance of the program is with you" anyways?)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.infra.de/users/galaxis/statuses/116663788657329990https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.infra.de/users/galaxis/statuses/116663788657329990Sat, 30 May 2026 13:35:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 13:18:20 GMT]]>@ariadne "dependency graph"?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/fazalmajid/statuses/116663720356543600https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vivaldi.net/users/fazalmajid/statuses/116663720356543600Sat, 30 May 2026 13:18:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 13:12:45 GMT]]>@jaseg @whitequark @ariadne That and it's another cycle in management belief that expensive quality can be replaced by cheap quantity. Unpaid interns, off shoring, horde of juniors, etc.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/baishen/statuses/116663698426533187https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/baishen/statuses/116663698426533187Sat, 30 May 2026 13:12:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 13:10:58 GMT]]>@ariadne there are complaints about the LLM coding tools going up in price 3x-150x. Between that and the post IPO crash we might be able to ride this out

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://functional.cafe/users/otfrom/statuses/116663691412975237https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://functional.cafe/users/otfrom/statuses/116663691412975237Sat, 30 May 2026 13:10:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 13:08:55 GMT]]>@jaseg@chaos.social @whitequark@treehouse.systems @ariadne@treehouse.systems That does make me wonder whether the fact that I'm an aspie is something that kind of inocculates me against them. My social skills are essentially entirely a conscious effort and LLMs are really terrible at "convincing" me on that level... Alternatively I may just be a grouch 😛

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://pleroma.envs.net/objects/8e5bdeb7-1bbc-49dd-a1c4-953549dc4ff6https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://pleroma.envs.net/objects/8e5bdeb7-1bbc-49dd-a1c4-953549dc4ff6Sat, 30 May 2026 13:08:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 12:59:55 GMT]]>@ariadne @tk @AmyZenunim Wouldn't it possibly be at least a headache if it contains plagiarized code from the unlicensed training data? I suppose it's not the distribution's job to find these cases until it is shown to them, after all that would be completely unrealistic to do at such a scale, but it doesn't seem entirely impossible to have ripple effects later.

However, I guess unless the kernel stops with LLM code that's the more likely impactful component regarding this: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/e12330b9-c29e-45ca-9375-9e3d13426d85@horse64.org/T/

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/ell1e/statuses/116663647984100872https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/ell1e/statuses/116663647984100872Sat, 30 May 2026 12:59:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 12:44:30 GMT]]>@catselbow @ariadne ditto. openrsync seems to have interoperability bugs, possibly at the protocol level? And does not implement all of rsync's options.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sunbeam.city/users/joeyh/statuses/116663587316594276https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sunbeam.city/users/joeyh/statuses/116663587316594276Sat, 30 May 2026 12:44:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 12:33:33 GMT]]>@ariadne

Also: thanks for doing this. I'm relieved that *someone* is making sure there's a low-slop version of this vital tool available.

(Although I think we need a different prefix from "open" that implies slop-free open-source, but politely.)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://freeradical.zone/users/suetanvil/statuses/116663544301949508https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://freeradical.zone/users/suetanvil/statuses/116663544301949508Sat, 30 May 2026 12:33:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 12:31:01 GMT]]>@ariadne

The copyright implications of this are completely unknown. When someone vibe-codes Photoshop or Windows 11 and successfully defends that in court, *then* I'll believe it. For now, it's a legal minefield.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://freeradical.zone/users/suetanvil/statuses/116663534288314914https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://freeradical.zone/users/suetanvil/statuses/116663534288314914Sat, 30 May 2026 12:31:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 12:04:37 GMT]]>@jaseg @ariadne the first leads to the second. every developer who falls into full claude addiction thinks they've totally got a handle on it.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://circumstances.run/users/davidgerard/statuses/116663430486815302https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://circumstances.run/users/davidgerard/statuses/116663430486815302Sat, 30 May 2026 12:04:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 12:03:36 GMT]]>@rnd @ariadne oh yeah. its recent usage in software is largely abusive though.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://circumstances.run/users/davidgerard/statuses/116663426519158052https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://circumstances.run/users/davidgerard/statuses/116663426519158052Sat, 30 May 2026 12:03:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 12:02:53 GMT]]>@ariadne so many years of talking about swiss cheese security and defence in depth, and reading right over the part where the pr is supposed to be the SECOND review; the first review is 'as I am writing the code'.

Short circuiting that to 'the llm generated it, I reviewed it' is purposely discarding protections and nobody who buys into these things seems to care.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://m.prettyshiny.org/users/jacel/statuses/116663423668044252https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://m.prettyshiny.org/users/jacel/statuses/116663423668044252Sat, 30 May 2026 12:02:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 11:53:58 GMT]]>@davidgerard @ariadne just to make it sure to folks who don't read me on the regular, i ain't a tankie, i think the soviet union was very flawed and fell into conservative thinking on a number of issues, and that's part of the reason why it failed and why we're in such a mess right now

but supply chains would probably continue to be a thing in any economy that isn't broken down to a "every town is entirely self-reliant" level

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.cat/users/rnd/statuses/116663388618764432https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.cat/users/rnd/statuses/116663388618764432Sat, 30 May 2026 11:53:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 11:50:26 GMT]]>@jannem @ariadne "dependency tree" is a fine existing term. they are not your suppliers, you are someone who found them lying around. "Upstreams" is another neutral word in active use that seems to work well.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://circumstances.run/users/davidgerard/statuses/116663374742720385https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://circumstances.run/users/davidgerard/statuses/116663374742720385Sat, 30 May 2026 11:50:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 11:49:39 GMT]]>@rnd @ariadne that's more a "shouldn't be"

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://circumstances.run/users/davidgerard/statuses/116663371643596018https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://circumstances.run/users/davidgerard/statuses/116663371643596018Sat, 30 May 2026 11:49:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 11:49:22 GMT]]>@bri7 @ariadne recent common usage. the term implies a customer-vendor relation and it's used to browbeat open source volunteers into working as if they have a vendor-like obligation to corporations who will under no circumstances actually pay them

you could come up with a more cooperative version, but most of the people saying it are using it that way

i suggest the existing term "dependency tree", which does not suggest they have an actionable responsibility to you. or just the existing term "upstreams"

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://circumstances.run/users/davidgerard/statuses/116663370553474643https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://circumstances.run/users/davidgerard/statuses/116663370553474643Sat, 30 May 2026 11:49:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 11:43:47 GMT]]>@ariadne
"Dependency network" or something along those lines?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/jannem/statuses/116663348606666142https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/jannem/statuses/116663348606666142Sat, 30 May 2026 11:43:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 11:32:09 GMT]]>@ariadne that could be a fun life stream 🤔

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/TheOneDoc/statuses/116663302821054248https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/TheOneDoc/statuses/116663302821054248Sat, 30 May 2026 11:32:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 11:25:32 GMT]]>@fosdembsd
Better than a bunch of regressions.

Breaking stuff in security updates is far worse, because users that are hurt by that usually stop applying all security updates.

@billchenchina @ariadne

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.acc.sunet.se/users/maswan/statuses/116663276815177451https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.acc.sunet.se/users/maswan/statuses/116663276815177451Sat, 30 May 2026 11:25:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 10:53:56 GMT]]>@ariadne

Be aware that openrsync isn't a drop-in replacement for rsync. We ran into problems when Apple replaced rsync with openrsync in Sequouia. Scripts that had previously worked broke. We ended up installing the real rsync using homebrew because we couldn't get things to work with openrsync.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/catselbow/statuses/116663152570947082https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/catselbow/statuses/116663152570947082Sat, 30 May 2026 10:53:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 10:53:30 GMT]]>@jpm @swetland @ariadne I said I wouldn't quote tridge from the rsync discord but his stated intent is
>basically I'm tring to get rsync into a state where we can withstand the storm of AI generated security reports
which is a noble goal but hasn't been achieved with his use of LLM coding agents. Also the usual complaint of being an unpaid maintainer, which true, but LLMs aren't a solution to that

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/beamflash/statuses/116663150868982958https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/beamflash/statuses/116663150868982958Sat, 30 May 2026 10:53:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i plan to package openrsync this weekend in alpine as an alternative to rsync (and probably switch the default rsync implementation in future) on Sat, 30 May 2026 10:24:41 GMT]]>@whitequark @ariadne It just struck me that "tokenmaxxing" really isn't a million miles removed from AI Waifu, and now I worry about the psychological consequences of recent price hikes

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://martinh.net/users/m/statuses/116663037572199979https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://martinh.net/users/m/statuses/116663037572199979Sat, 30 May 2026 10:24:41 GMT