<![CDATA[Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g]]>Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g

> we also dislike AI slop. this is why we’re using AI to generate code, not content.

It's a philosophical distinction but one I feel like I don't get. Maybe it's because I like livecoding, etc, and see code itself as a form of art. Is AI code *not* slop in a way that feed content is?

And will vibecoded apps with Attie be likely to insert AIgen content?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/c164cd0d-4443-4b0e-9b95-3d74cee88f83/been-thinking-about-this-https-bsky.app-profile-jay.bsky.team-post-3micpg7z2h22gRSS for NodeMon, 06 Apr 2026 13:48:51 GMTTue, 31 Mar 2026 14:37:19 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 23:44:57 GMT]]>@mttaggart @cwebber Having absolutely disagreed with Paul over AT early on in BlueSky, I am not surprised to see that he appears to be saying all the right things whilst, again, talking about a closed system (this time AI).

Sometimes I wonder if people's experiences are just so skewed that words are being redefined.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/tehstu/statuses/116326445725105964https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/tehstu/statuses/116326445725105964Tue, 31 Mar 2026 23:44:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 23:44:56 GMT]]>@ehashman @mttaggart @cwebber there are some capable open models. My poorly documented journey is here

https://ai-skeptic.bress.net//

I’ve been too busy lately to do anything interesting, but it’s pretty fun learning

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/joshbressers/statuses/116326445640943781https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/joshbressers/statuses/116326445640943781Tue, 31 Mar 2026 23:44:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 23:16:28 GMT]]>@mttaggart @cwebber open models do exist and I've been kicking the tires with a few but have not attempted to use any of the ones for code generation. They are definitely less sophisticated than the top of the line LLMs from what I have seen but that is unsurprising given the usual comparison between scrappy FOSS and highly resourced proprietary software https://osai-index.eu/database/

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cloudisland.nz/users/ehashman/statuses/116326333696191996https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cloudisland.nz/users/ehashman/statuses/116326333696191996Tue, 31 Mar 2026 23:16:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 19:42:55 GMT]]>"toil" is a great description!

@erincandescent @cwebber

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://neuromatch.social/users/jdp23/statuses/116325493973901931https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://neuromatch.social/users/jdp23/statuses/116325493973901931Tue, 31 Mar 2026 19:42:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 18:42:03 GMT]]>@cwebber

regardless of what you're trying to make the quality of raw ingredients is paramount. substandard ingredients makes sub standard product. using a slop machine that is correct less than 50% of the time will yield slop product.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115982855104445836/statuses/116325254686965743https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/115982855104445836/statuses/116325254686965743Tue, 31 Mar 2026 18:42:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 18:12:13 GMT]]>@aparrish @mcc @cwebber incentivized... yeah. that's a very scary word in a post-neo-liberal world. it used to be nuanced, i think. but that's gone 😞

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/gureito/statuses/116325137371679677https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/gureito/statuses/116325137371679677Tue, 31 Mar 2026 18:12:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:56:01 GMT]]>@OctaviaConAmore @cwebber It's also one where, like, I'm a writer, and I just absolutely hate the process of making all other forms of art, I can appreciate art, I just really don't want to do it. And yet the idea of using a diffusion model to add illustrations to my writing just has absolutely no appeal to me. It'd just make the story feel "cheap" and the models are far from able to be consistent. I feel like you just kinda have to not care about quality to be okay with anything GenAI

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaosfem.tw/users/november/statuses/116325073666470397https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaosfem.tw/users/november/statuses/116325073666470397Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:56:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:54:46 GMT]]>@cwebber She is wrong, imho. All AI-generated code is slop, even when it "works".

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://bertha.social/users/adolfoneto/statuses/116325068740262333https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://bertha.social/users/adolfoneto/statuses/116325068740262333Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:54:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:46:58 GMT]]>@mapcar @cwebber

The Art of Computer Programming is named after Art Evans:

“I recall having lunch with a friend at the convention hotel. He knew how conceited I was, already at that time, so he asked if I was going to call my books "An Introduction to Don Knuth." I replied that, on the contrary, I was naming the books after him. His name: Art Evans. (The Art of Computer Programming, in person.)”

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Knuth: Computer Programming as an Art

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(paulgraham.com)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tldr.nettime.org/users/lain_7/statuses/116325038038166456https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tldr.nettime.org/users/lain_7/statuses/116325038038166456Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:46:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:39:00 GMT]]>@mcc @cwebber god i wish literally a single person in the tech world was incentivized to think more than zero steps ahead

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://friend.camp/users/aparrish/statuses/116325006716191916https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://friend.camp/users/aparrish/statuses/116325006716191916Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:39:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:27:29 GMT]]>@wordshaper we have open models trained on generally-sorta-ethical data (BLOOM was one iirc), they're basically useless for the "open ended generation is all you need" applications
@mttaggart @cwebber

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://lingo.lol/users/fay/statuses/116324961425562712https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://lingo.lol/users/fay/statuses/116324961425562712Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:27:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:27:29 GMT]]>@wordshaper they are very good as basis for focused nlp systems tho, but you can't get that funded anymore lol
@mttaggart @cwebber

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://lingo.lol/users/fay/statuses/116324961439829139https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://lingo.lol/users/fay/statuses/116324961439829139Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:27:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:25:33 GMT]]>@cwebber

It’s okay to view code as art, but it’s also okay to view code as a means to an end.

One can reasonably determine whether AI-generated code is sloppy or not through testing and review.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tldr.nettime.org/users/lain_7/statuses/116324953820376921https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tldr.nettime.org/users/lain_7/statuses/116324953820376921Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:25:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:24:17 GMT]]>@mttaggart paul is not someone i'd expect to make sense or be clever
@cwebber

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://lingo.lol/users/fay/statuses/116324948867966326https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://lingo.lol/users/fay/statuses/116324948867966326Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:24:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:12:03 GMT]]>@cwebber yeah I call bullshit. the artifact produced by slopcoding is absolutely slop.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/aeva/statuses/116324900761146467https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/aeva/statuses/116324900761146467Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:12:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:10:33 GMT]]>To me that just feels even worse.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://westergaard.social/objects/456a6175-51f7-46c4-83b7-95e6a077541ehttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://westergaard.social/objects/456a6175-51f7-46c4-83b7-95e6a077541eTue, 31 Mar 2026 17:10:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:08:10 GMT]]>@aparrish @cwebber So from Graber's perspective(?), the customer doesn't *see* the code, so there's nothing wrong with it being "generative AI". Never mind if there are downstream effects that impact the user, we put a blanket in front of mommy's face and now mommy does not exist anymore

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/mcc/statuses/116324885493132385https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/mcc/statuses/116324885493132385Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:08:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:06:09 GMT]]>@cwebber Slop is slop, at least for now.

This to me is like saying "We hate human trafficking, which is why we only traffic adults and not children!"

I genuinely don't think we can have an honest, critical conversation with most people about valid uses of machine learning and its offshoots until well after the bubble pops and LLMs become much harder to access and tech becomes much less interested in them and moves onto the next scammy tech.

Because despite how smart or aware people think they are or can be while using it, it isn't enough.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/distractal/statuses/116324877544432650https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/distractal/statuses/116324877544432650Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:06:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:06:03 GMT]]>@aparrish @cwebber Recently saw an interview with a coder who got yelled at for using LLMs. The interviewer asked him what happened and he said "haha, it's very silly, at some point claude added a feature that has it co-sign your commits, that upset people so now I've turned it off". Then he goes on to talk about all the ways he uses claude. As if the problem were the commit header, or that he didn't hide it well enough, and not that *people are opposed to the use of the technology itself*

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/mcc/statuses/116324877157259600https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/mcc/statuses/116324877157259600Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:06:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:03:00 GMT]]>@aparrish @cwebber an emerging norm among people who believe they can save money by using LLMs is "AI use is okay as long as it's not noticeable in the final product". Have a human go back and fix the glitches that make your "placeholder" stable diffusion image, now it's "no longer slop". They notice that they only get yelled at when people can specifically detect the problem and conclude the issue is therefore whether the problem is *visible*.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/mcc/statuses/116324865200828730https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/mcc/statuses/116324865200828730Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:03:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:01:02 GMT]]>@obfusk oops, thank you (there we go, corrected )

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cutie.city/users/OctaviaConAmore/statuses/116324857461369967https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cutie.city/users/OctaviaConAmore/statuses/116324857461369967Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:01:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:00:31 GMT]]>@OctaviaConAmore shouldn't that first paragraph be "wouldn't be okay"?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/obfusk/statuses/116324855406585757https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/obfusk/statuses/116324855406585757Tue, 31 Mar 2026 17:00:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 16:45:32 GMT]]>@cwebber Slop doesn't cease to be slop because it's invisible, just means the flaws are better hidden.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://oldbytes.space/users/nini/statuses/116324796506623585https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://oldbytes.space/users/nini/statuses/116324796506623585Tue, 31 Mar 2026 16:45:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Been thinking about this: https://bsky.app/profile/jay.bsky.team/post/3micpg7z2h22g on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 16:37:21 GMT]]>@tante @mttaggart @cwebber excuse my ignorance. Total newbie

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://dosgame.club/users/rocky1138/statuses/116324764292709308https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://dosgame.club/users/rocky1138/statuses/116324764292709308Tue, 31 Mar 2026 16:37:21 GMT