So often I see people map white trans femininity (or, rather, their rejectionist attitudes towards it) onto PoC trans women, as if our experiences are analogous. We neve had a chance to fit in to this society, so we come to trans femininity already de-centered. Living in a Black male experience was one where we were centered only as a threat or an other. At best, I was “exotic,” and fetishized.

It’s simply a different experience. In a way, armored and prepared for othering.

We see this in the pattern of white trans femmes treating certain inconveniences as if they are extremely damaging and emotionally horrendous experiences. In truth, they probably are—to them—because they have rarely lived an existence where such experiences are normalized.

It’s no surprise that the trans femmes who are most separatist are omso often the ones who are most racist. They are simply holding on to the centering.

Unless race is processed, this pattern tends to dominate. But it’s often seen (esp. by white cis women) as “male.” The better framing is “socialized in power.”

If you were just meaning it as gender socialization is not immutable or permanent making it impossible to the truly be a woman as a trans woman that is not how it came off. As I said in my comment I am fully a man as a trans man but I was socialized female and that does effect me.

Before I respond in full and risk entering a polarized infective, I want to clarify you believe that by limiting my original comment to the context that my argument was based on—that trans femmes are socialized male in a deterministic and immutable way, and thus will never be women—you believe I was purposely rejecting the experience of everyone else.

and they said they feel strongly they were socialized female -- because they're also autistic and I spent so many years trying to help them learn how to confirm to enough Girl Social Norms that they would get bullied and harassed at school less often

they said maybe others don't have an experience they want to call that

but I really did

Edit: to clarify I’m not getting into whether trans fems were male socialized. Just that it’s a common experience and thought among trans mascs that we were female socialized and you’re trying to ditch that all together but I can be socialized one way and still be a man. You can be socialized one way and still break out of it.