<![CDATA[Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had.]]>Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/6540cc54-e42f-40fe-b28c-54eafef29f62/based-on-some-recent-news-and-an-interaction-i-had.RSS for NodeFri, 05 Jun 2026 03:48:07 GMTSat, 23 May 2026 21:16:28 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:44:28 GMT]]>@nelson this situation really sucks but your art goes hard as fuck as always keep up the good work

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://wetdry.world/users/guigui/statuses/116626310321534865https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://wetdry.world/users/guigui/statuses/116626310321534865Sat, 23 May 2026 22:44:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:42:49 GMT]]>@pj @fiore yeah i still don't understand why would a package manager like flatpak require systemd

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://wetdry.world/users/nelson/statuses/116626303847345869https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://wetdry.world/users/nelson/statuses/116626303847345869Sat, 23 May 2026 22:42:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:42:41 GMT]]>
@fiore @navi]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://donotsta.re/objects/4e30a276-b76f-4a0b-b8d0-c8d9ef7e0734https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://donotsta.re/objects/4e30a276-b76f-4a0b-b8d0-c8d9ef7e0734Sat, 23 May 2026 22:42:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:41:58 GMT]]>
@nelson @fiore]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://donotsta.re/objects/68a2fbe1-caa1-4cdd-8f19-be74c2de7c55https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://donotsta.re/objects/68a2fbe1-caa1-4cdd-8f19-be74c2de7c55Sat, 23 May 2026 22:41:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:41:34 GMT]]>@navi@social.vlhl.dev @pj@donotsta.re like why would anything even depend on whether socket activation is available this is making me lose my mind

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://brain.worm.pink/objects/df20ddb7-1834-4bc6-8f19-d984b0490140https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://brain.worm.pink/objects/df20ddb7-1834-4bc6-8f19-d984b0490140Sat, 23 May 2026 22:41:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:41:11 GMT]]>@pj @fiore i still don't quite understand why would flatpak, NOW, depend on systemd even though they worked this hard to have no hard dependencies on pretty much anything except a couple of userland static utilities

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://wetdry.world/users/nelson/statuses/116626297400193136https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://wetdry.world/users/nelson/statuses/116626297400193136Sat, 23 May 2026 22:41:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:40:15 GMT]]>@pj @fiore

> sysusers

https://git.pinkro.se/Rose/gardenhouse/sysuserd.git/

> tmpfiles

https://git.pinkro.se/Rose/gardenhouse/seedfiles.git/

> socket activation

super-servers have existed for a while, and i'm honestly dubious of the performance claims systemd gives to apply it for every single possible socket -- it feels like a "trick" to shave miliseconds out of boot time more than anything else

eventually i'll be doing performance tests, and if it turns out to actually matter, then something similar will be implemented in openrc]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vlhl.dev/objects/b04344de-733e-4250-b23a-5d816b9f5076https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.vlhl.dev/objects/b04344de-733e-4250-b23a-5d816b9f5076Sat, 23 May 2026 22:40:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:37:29 GMT]]>@pj@donotsta.re > logind, user services

there are alternative implementations that despite not being complete yet, are already in use by lots of people and have already proven that a standalone tool is better for this job (turnstile, for example)

> sysusers

what even is that

> tmpfiles

why is this even in systemd

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://brain.worm.pink/objects/182e15f7-5dbb-4966-9f63-62e99dc19489https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://brain.worm.pink/objects/182e15f7-5dbb-4966-9f63-62e99dc19489Sat, 23 May 2026 22:37:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:36:21 GMT]]>
@fiore]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://donotsta.re/objects/ce166bb5-b1a7-4f62-be25-d55b31dd9c86https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://donotsta.re/objects/ce166bb5-b1a7-4f62-be25-d55b31dd9c86Sat, 23 May 2026 22:36:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:34:36 GMT]]>@fiore logind, tmpfiles, sysusers, user services (which are quite a recent thing still in openrc), socket activation, more...]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://donotsta.re/objects/8d90dd83-df0d-4769-9c49-f70760322ff6https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://donotsta.re/objects/8d90dd83-df0d-4769-9c49-f70760322ff6Sat, 23 May 2026 22:34:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:34:07 GMT]]>@nube thnkx 🙂

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://wetdry.world/users/nelson/statuses/116626269626006283https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://wetdry.world/users/nelson/statuses/116626269626006283Sat, 23 May 2026 22:34:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:34:00 GMT]]>@pj@donotsta.re as i said , i have not looked into the specifics of how flatpak would even need this. so i cannot say anything about it

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://brain.worm.pink/objects/57da42dc-936e-421f-9a6c-d76f8bdfcfeehttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://brain.worm.pink/objects/57da42dc-936e-421f-9a6c-d76f8bdfcfeeSat, 23 May 2026 22:34:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:33:52 GMT]]>@nelson@wetdry.world Nice draw ​​

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://verse.averagedood.xyz/notes/ammhp3du2gcx00w8https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://verse.averagedood.xyz/notes/ammhp3du2gcx00w8Sat, 23 May 2026 22:33:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:32:02 GMT]]>
@fiore]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://donotsta.re/objects/54b72257-9b72-492c-b24d-8d785cc313cfhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://donotsta.re/objects/54b72257-9b72-492c-b24d-8d785cc313cfSat, 23 May 2026 22:32:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:31:49 GMT]]>@pj@donotsta.re uh ok . could you be more specific in which features you are talking about ?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://brain.worm.pink/objects/31370302-f008-42f5-b5c9-406e9a17e4aehttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://brain.worm.pink/objects/31370302-f008-42f5-b5c9-406e9a17e4aeSat, 23 May 2026 22:31:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:30:39 GMT]]>@kopper@not-brain.d.on-t.work @julia@eepy.moe @nelson@wetdry.world oh yea thats good

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://brain.worm.pink/objects/a225f45b-5ed1-46db-8084-b3f86636764ahttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://brain.worm.pink/objects/a225f45b-5ed1-46db-8084-b3f86636764aSat, 23 May 2026 22:30:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:30:32 GMT]]>
@fiore]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://donotsta.re/objects/e1c89dfa-9057-48ac-a74e-b113d38317f4https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://donotsta.re/objects/e1c89dfa-9057-48ac-a74e-b113d38317f4Sat, 23 May 2026 22:30:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:30:27 GMT]]>@pj@donotsta.re init and daemon supervision is not and never has been something an application developer should worry about

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://brain.worm.pink/objects/7dfc99f8-6cee-4f92-a866-5aac9fa0d509https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://brain.worm.pink/objects/7dfc99f8-6cee-4f92-a866-5aac9fa0d509Sat, 23 May 2026 22:30:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:30:26 GMT]]>@pj@donotsta.re @fiore@brain.worm.pink @julia@eepy.moe @nelson@wetdry.world as a user, i do feel like the project has ballooned a bit too much, taking on features that feel like they don't need to be tied to an init system and/or service manager (such as systemd-ukify)-- this means these features depend on libsystemd when they could work independently of systemd, which makes me feel a bit too "locked in" to the project (bus factor and all that)
that, while still having long standing issues (extremely vague log messages such as "A stop job is running …", like, could you tell me at least what is holding up shutdown..?) has made me loose some faith in the project

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fedi.kemonomimi.gay/objects/aa42b25e-a64f-4334-8581-1371de99c5a1https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fedi.kemonomimi.gay/objects/aa42b25e-a64f-4334-8581-1371de99c5a1Sat, 23 May 2026 22:30:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:30:14 GMT]]>@pj @fiore I take the L for this tbh lol

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://wetdry.world/users/nelson/statuses/116626254373647232https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://wetdry.world/users/nelson/statuses/116626254373647232Sat, 23 May 2026 22:30:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:29:23 GMT]]>@fiore @julia @nelson eh, more like wine only deciding to support wsl]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://not-brain.d.on-t.work/notes/ammhjbze3nc5psm1https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://not-brain.d.on-t.work/notes/ammhjbze3nc5psm1Sat, 23 May 2026 22:29:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:29:17 GMT]]>
(I'm also an Alpine/pmOS/Chimera user that has been on musl and non-sd init/rc for years)

@fiore]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://donotsta.re/objects/c67abdd3-69a9-4ba1-80b5-873422d293bfhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://donotsta.re/objects/c67abdd3-69a9-4ba1-80b5-873422d293bfSat, 23 May 2026 22:29:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:28:59 GMT]]>@pj@donotsta.re thats when something becomes "outdated" in software

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://brain.worm.pink/objects/57bced63-4237-4c5a-803e-17612040e7d0https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://brain.worm.pink/objects/57bced63-4237-4c5a-803e-17612040e7d0Sat, 23 May 2026 22:28:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Based on some recent news, and an interaction I had. on Sat, 23 May 2026 22:28:38 GMT]]>@pj@donotsta.re outdated since alternatives have been consistently been able to provide better performance with simpler and more portable systems.

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