<![CDATA[Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest]]>Welcome to today's thread - 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest

New borders:
None

Borders already crossed:
Kehl 🇩🇪 - Krimmeri-Meinau 🇫🇷
Freilassing 🇩🇪 - Salzburg Taxham Europark 🇦🇹
Nickelsdorf 🇦🇹 - Hegyeshalom 🇭🇺

Not really a project day, but as it is such a long and complex trip it deserves a live blog and a thread! Ravières – Budapest in one day. 1808.1km!

Today's routes on the routes map:
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#7/48.348948/10.744629

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]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gruene.social/users/jon/statuses/116385339894121615https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gruene.social/users/jon/statuses/116385339894121615Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:22:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:22:03 GMT]]>@maartje @jon @lewd *safely avoids going into the intricacies of cross-border TER service Re: involved companies*

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zug.network/users/hopla/statuses/116385338080841470https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zug.network/users/hopla/statuses/116385338080841470Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:22:03 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:19:48 GMT]]>@jon @lewd @hopla this

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://blahaj.social/users/maartje/statuses/116385329245885439https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://blahaj.social/users/maartje/statuses/116385329245885439Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:19:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:19:44 GMT]]>@pseyfert While SNCF actually more often says "non", or "est-ce que vous avez pensez au covoiturage?"

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gruene.social/users/jon/statuses/116385328935753868https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gruene.social/users/jon/statuses/116385328935753868Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:19:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:19:34 GMT]]>@jon asbestos? I saw that on a BB75000, that's way too recent to contain any asbestos, and Transdev self doesn't have a cargo subsidiary AFAIK?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zug.network/users/hopla/statuses/116385328315401570https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zug.network/users/hopla/statuses/116385328315401570Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:19:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:18:27 GMT]]>@masek I'll wave in.. Strasbourg?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gruene.social/users/jon/statuses/116385323883974619https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gruene.social/users/jon/statuses/116385323883974619Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:18:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:17:14 GMT]]>@maartje @lewd @hopla SNCF: all the same company when it suits SNCF. Different companies when it suits SNCF.

And those cases are often *precisely the opposite* of when it being one company or not would suit the passengers.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gruene.social/users/jon/statuses/116385319101104876https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gruene.social/users/jon/statuses/116385319101104876Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:17:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:16:01 GMT]]>@hopla Hang on. How is SNCF allowed to pass a locomotive containing asbestos to F-HXF but not to Transdev? 🤔

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gruene.social/users/jon/statuses/116385314319039801https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gruene.social/users/jon/statuses/116385314319039801Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:16:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:15:39 GMT]]>@jon until this post, I thought that's about as bad as renfe in atocha boarding the 5min apart iryo and AVE from the same platform. But you prove me wrong, that's actually worse.

(Anecdote: it took me a while to realise that I thought "something with yes" is how sncf calls their TGVs these days, until I noticed that they had two services, both called "something with yes".)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaos.social/users/pseyfert/statuses/116385312897443055https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaos.social/users/pseyfert/statuses/116385312897443055Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:15:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:15:33 GMT]]>@jon P.S. Ich hasse die Gates in Frankreich 😏

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/masek/statuses/116385312509506440https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/masek/statuses/116385312509506440Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:15:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:14:58 GMT]]>@jon Auf dem Weg gerade nach Frankreich (heute Abend: Paris, morgen: Nizza)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/masek/statuses/116385310207253853https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/masek/statuses/116385310207253853Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:14:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:14:50 GMT]]>@lewd @hopla @jon in the end do they share the same staff training, certification or break room? Same company. (Tries not to go into real open access rant)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://blahaj.social/users/maartje/statuses/116385309668859681https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://blahaj.social/users/maartje/statuses/116385309668859681Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:14:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:09:05 GMT]]>@hopla @jon That's what all French say but it's really splitting hairs. It's a brand, sorry. Yes, they all say "mimimi other company" but at the end it's the same cartel and nothing more than a brand. Other countries reach there too.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zug.network/users/lewd/statuses/116385287108673971https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zug.network/users/lewd/statuses/116385287108673971Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:09:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:07:40 GMT]]>@hopla @jon Yeah, I mean for Thalys no one checks at the platform neither.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zug.network/users/lewd/statuses/116385281535645460https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zug.network/users/lewd/statuses/116385281535645460Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:07:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:07:00 GMT]]>@jon Gradually this will also change as companies get their own security certification ^^ I could already spot Hexafret locos registered as F-HXF

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zug.network/users/hopla/statuses/116385278881962762https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zug.network/users/hopla/statuses/116385278881962762Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:07:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:05:11 GMT]]>@hopla @jon Gares&Connexions is happy to not enforce the ticket gate rules on demand of the operator though…

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://blahaj.social/users/maartje/statuses/116385271721705298https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://blahaj.social/users/maartje/statuses/116385271721705298Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:05:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:04:21 GMT]]>@hopla Haaa 😂 The trains still say F-SNCF on the side. Enough for me!

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gruene.social/users/jon/statuses/116385268463368761https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gruene.social/users/jon/statuses/116385268463368761Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:04:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:03:21 GMT]]>@jon OuiGo is a subsidiary tho, that's not the same company 👀
And I'm fairly sure the ticket gate disaster is a SNCF Gares&Connexions doing (and their own staff), not a SNCF Voyageurs. Someone in a desk high up thought about the "access to platform allowed only with valid ticket" rule too much

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zug.network/users/hopla/statuses/116385264560808682https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://zug.network/users/hopla/statuses/116385264560808682Sat, 11 Apr 2026 09:03:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:46:30 GMT]]>@webhat @jon yeah, second time it happened I did that (check in and out). Basically proves how silly the gates are

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.uno/users/miniBill/statuses/116385198270221846https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.uno/users/miniBill/statuses/116385198270221846Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:46:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:46:17 GMT]]>@jon thats why we can throw people out again 🤣

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://blahaj.social/users/maartje/statuses/116385197425107541https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://blahaj.social/users/maartje/statuses/116385197425107541Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:46:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:44:45 GMT]]>@miniBill @jon I usually have a back up OV in my pocket to get me through the gates and check myself out again after I'm through. One could also theoretically use their bank card

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/webhat/statuses/116385191366433729https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/webhat/statuses/116385191366433729Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:44:45 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:42:51 GMT]]>@maartje YOU MIGHT HAVE THE WRONG PASSENGER ON BOARD!

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gruene.social/users/jon/statuses/116385183918388763https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gruene.social/users/jon/statuses/116385183918388763Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:42:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:42:25 GMT]]>@tomtom Right, I agree. But they create jobs, so maybe in the SNCF logic it makes sense?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gruene.social/users/jon/statuses/116385182228188621https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gruene.social/users/jon/statuses/116385182228188621Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:42:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 17 - 11 Apr - Ravières - Paris - Stuttgart - München - Budapest on Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:37:35 GMT]]>@jon never understood the point of these platform gates for long distance trains. You still have ticket control inside the train, they require 2 or 3 members of staff as they are dysfunctional and confusing and they are wildly inefficient for the onboarding of an 800pax train. In other words, they cost money, they serve no purpose and they are an annoyance.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://pouet.chapril.org/users/tomtom/statuses/116385163188951324https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://pouet.chapril.org/users/tomtom/statuses/116385163188951324Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:37:35 GMT