<![CDATA[Fucking tmux is AI slop.]]>Fucking tmux is AI slop. https://github.com/tmux/tmux/wiki/Contributing#use-of-ai

EDIT: There has been a fair amount of discussion about if this applies to upstream openBSD, and how the AI code policy is interpreted.

An example can be seen in this commit by the lead developer landing in openBSD attributed to "claude code" https://github.com/openbsd/src/commit/9c2b8e445a0bdfafdd6148b1760f00aa5429627b

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@hi

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]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/trashheap/statuses/116323662978149787https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/trashheap/statuses/116323662978149787Tue, 31 Mar 2026 11:57:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Fucking tmux is AI slop. on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 11:55:06 GMT]]>@dick_turpin My instance runs a mastodon fork called glitch-soc, it supports markdown syntax for block quotes.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/trashheap/statuses/116323654498383998https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/trashheap/statuses/116323654498383998Tue, 31 Mar 2026 11:55:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Fucking tmux is AI slop. on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 11:53:20 GMT]]>@trashheap
Ooh! How'd you achieve the red text?

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And I believe that's exactly the point the tmux author is trying to make: you did not write the code, you cannot vouch for the code, therefore I can't accept your slop generated code.

As an example you can see a fairly lengthy pull request "co-authored with Claude" here: https://github.com/tmux/tmux/pull/4744/changes/b700e9ce219cae63988c4287fd3cde41a6a6f8c4

AND then you can see it landing in upstream tmux in the openbsd source tree, attributed to the original author and claude here: https://github.com/openbsd/src/commit/9c2b8e445a0bdfafdd6148b1760f00aa5429627b

The ultimate committer of that code being Nicholas Marriott, the lead developer of tmux.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/trashheap/statuses/116323642666214930https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/trashheap/statuses/116323642666214930Tue, 31 Mar 2026 11:52:06 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Fucking tmux is AI slop. on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 11:48:12 GMT]]>@hi as I understand it, OpenBSD already said AI code was not acceptable (introducing notion of copyright). The tmux project that accepts AI is the portable one. I don’t expect code from there to go back to OpenBSD src. Unless it is something trivial and acceptable from their POV.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gts.tumfatig.net/users/joel/statuses/01KN1VJ1WFMK88W5QQ7XGSMEG4https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gts.tumfatig.net/users/joel/statuses/01KN1VJ1WFMK88W5QQ7XGSMEG4Tue, 31 Mar 2026 11:48:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Fucking tmux is AI slop. on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 11:37:25 GMT]]>@ParadeGrotesque @FritzAdalis @hi

You could even understand it as a way to say: release the code or state clearly that it is free of problematic license.

Take a look at that bit of text again, specifically the text which FOLLOWS it.

It is followed by a listing of LLMs who have issued statements from various LLM vendors that they assert no copyright on the output; and are therefore "fine."

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/trashheap/statuses/116323584930336437https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/trashheap/statuses/116323584930336437Tue, 31 Mar 2026 11:37:25 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Fucking tmux is AI slop. on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 11:18:06 GMT]]>@ParadeGrotesque @hi @trashheap
Maybe. That's not how I read it, but hopefully I'm wrong.

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And I believe that's exactly the point the tmux author is trying to make: you did not write the code, you cannot vouch for the code, therefore I can't accept your slop generated code.

(Unless it is completely trivial, in which case your code is probably not needed)

@hi @trashheap

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/ParadeGrotesque/statuses/116323498504696358https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/ParadeGrotesque/statuses/116323498504696358Tue, 31 Mar 2026 11:15:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Fucking tmux is AI slop. on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 10:37:53 GMT]]>@ParadeGrotesque @hi @trashheap
I don't think anyone is worried that Anthropic et al are going to assert copyright; it's more that copyrighted works were used to train the model so the generated code may or may not fall under the original authors' copyright.

How can you vouch for code you didn't write?

The various other AI concerns are externalities I guess.

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Why do you say that?

Seems to me a cautious statement, in line with the rest of the position.

You could even understand it as a way to say: release the code or state clearly that it is free of problematic license.

Which is another way of saying: we won't accept your code unless you can vouch for it. Which no slop shop is able to do.

@hi @trashheap

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/ParadeGrotesque/statuses/116323312409764176https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.sdf.org/users/ParadeGrotesque/statuses/116323312409764176Tue, 31 Mar 2026 10:28:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Fucking tmux is AI slop. on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 09:37:44 GMT]]>@ParadeGrotesque @hi @trashheap
That last part shows a profound misunderstanding of the problem.

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Seems to me a bit more nuanced:

Use of AI

Code written with the assistance of AI can be acceptable. However, the question of ownership and copyright of AI-produced work is not yet well-defined in law.

Given this, in order for code produced with AI to be accepted, it must either be trivial enough to be not copyrightable (basic refactoring, one line bug fixes), or there must be a public statement available from the AI publisher showing they do not assert copyright over the work.

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(T_T)

i really hope that slop doesn't make its way into 's base. lately it feels like i'd have to fork everything i care about...
]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://romanzolotarev.com/pub/hi/p/1774947451.860922https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://romanzolotarev.com/pub/hi/p/1774947451.860922Tue, 31 Mar 2026 08:57:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Fucking tmux is AI slop. on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 08:40:21 GMT]]>@trashheap they forgot to update the difference section "GitHub holds the portable tmux version. There are a few minor differences, mostly for portability." They shall be more soon…

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gts.tumfatig.net/users/joel/statuses/01KN1GT2BKWGES2GXYMVYS5NRZhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://gts.tumfatig.net/users/joel/statuses/01KN1GT2BKWGES2GXYMVYS5NRZTue, 31 Mar 2026 08:40:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Fucking tmux is AI slop. on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 07:33:39 GMT]]>@trashheap As you & others had already mentioned (that a large portion of software that you, they, I use would be affected via use of AI,LLM), I am also coming to terms with that.

I was surprised that "tmux" had succumbed too. Did not have any reason to (not) imagine it ... right, that was lack-of-imagination on my part.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://freeradical.zone/users/ax6761/statuses/116322626426450559https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://freeradical.zone/users/ax6761/statuses/116322626426450559Tue, 31 Mar 2026 07:33:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Fucking tmux is AI slop. on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 04:23:42 GMT]]>@trashheap "I hardly knew ye." (Some times it could have been somewhat helpful. Oh well.)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://freeradical.zone/users/ax6761/statuses/116321879519991630https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://freeradical.zone/users/ax6761/statuses/116321879519991630Tue, 31 Mar 2026 04:23:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Fucking tmux is AI slop. on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 04:22:58 GMT]]>@FoxFunction Keep your eyes peeled.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/somebody/statuses/116321876610349127https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/somebody/statuses/116321876610349127Tue, 31 Mar 2026 04:22:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Fucking tmux is AI slop. on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 04:22:29 GMT]]>@somebody Waiting to hear about a fork of the project any moment.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/FoxFunction/statuses/116321874675904079https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/FoxFunction/statuses/116321874675904079Tue, 31 Mar 2026 04:22:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Fucking tmux is AI slop. on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 04:21:33 GMT]]>@FoxFunction @trashheap @zardoz03 Son of a nutcracker

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/somebody/statuses/116321871024178664https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/somebody/statuses/116321871024178664Tue, 31 Mar 2026 04:21:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Fucking tmux is AI slop. on Tue, 31 Mar 2026 04:20:27 GMT]]>@trashheap @somebody @zardoz03 sad news today.

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