<![CDATA[“Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach.]]>“Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach.

“Complying in advance” is not when you follow laws that have passed and have clearly defined penalties

Learn what phrases mean, maybe

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/503a4ee5-7183-4302-b10c-205c10799a23/complying-in-advance-is-when-you-go-out-of-your-way-to-do-things-that-you-don-t-have-to-do-to-support-authoritarian-overreach.RSS for NodeWed, 08 Apr 2026 13:24:30 GMTWed, 18 Mar 2026 14:34:55 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Sat, 21 Mar 2026 21:42:09 GMT]]>@danirabbit I wonder of malicious compliance is in the cards. Comply with the requirement and add a note that it has been forced by the lobbying efforts of Meta 😂

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/pak0st/statuses/116269339727043334https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/pak0st/statuses/116269339727043334Sat, 21 Mar 2026 21:42:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Fri, 20 Mar 2026 15:07:02 GMT]]>@danirabbit

It will be interesting to see how this applies to meta distros like Gentoo where I assemble my own distro locally, far away from your legislation.

But you are probably right. Without the API sites will block me so you are likely right about the fight on the hill as well.

According to OSNews EU seems to plan to use a mobile app that is harder to run on open Androids than banking and general ID apps we use in Sweden. I think this is a better way to go.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodonsweden.se/users/paddlaren/statuses/116262123767559975https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodonsweden.se/users/paddlaren/statuses/116262123767559975Fri, 20 Mar 2026 15:07:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Fri, 20 Mar 2026 15:00:43 GMT]]>@goedelchen @danirabbit @khw

Well I am 11 month younger than that but pretty close. And it has actually never crossed my mind before that I am born at the EPOC year.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodonsweden.se/users/paddlaren/statuses/116262098947655652https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodonsweden.se/users/paddlaren/statuses/116262098947655652Fri, 20 Mar 2026 15:00:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Fri, 20 Mar 2026 12:52:56 GMT]]>@speaktrap @danirabbit @pojntfx I live in Europe, I'm sad to inform you I still have to pay rent

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/eniko/statuses/116261596474743678https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/eniko/statuses/116261596474743678Fri, 20 Mar 2026 12:52:56 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Fri, 20 Mar 2026 12:33:05 GMT]]>@danirabbit @pojntfx Come to Europe, we have good food and public healthcare

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.com.pl/ap/users/115986424820341665/statuses/116261518388215400https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.com.pl/ap/users/115986424820341665/statuses/116261518388215400Fri, 20 Mar 2026 12:33:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Fri, 20 Mar 2026 12:05:42 GMT]]>@danirabbit furthermore, they make the legal argument (and I think their logic is sound) that if you don’t collect age data at all, it’s impossible to determine whether your users are children, and therefore impossible to determine if you actually violated the law. so the snake eats its own tail, or nothing at all in this case.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaos.social/users/filmroellchen/statuses/116261410758558430https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaos.social/users/filmroellchen/statuses/116261410758558430Fri, 20 Mar 2026 12:05:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Fri, 20 Mar 2026 12:03:29 GMT]]>@danirabbit that’s also the point of their efforts—trying to protect you and others who are much smaller and much harder to find than someone who paints a target on their back and taunts the lawmakers.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaos.social/users/filmroellchen/statuses/116261402024815667https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaos.social/users/filmroellchen/statuses/116261402024815667Fri, 20 Mar 2026 12:03:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Fri, 20 Mar 2026 12:02:14 GMT]]>@danirabbit I’m hopeful that https://agelesslinux.org/ gets there first—they are very explicitly trying to get sued over this, which should hopefully clarify the legal situation soon enough. Additionally, they make some good points—for instance, there may be the good faith effort defense, e.g. you could ask the user for their age once at installation/upgrade time, prevent the installation if it’s below 18, but never store it anywhere.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaos.social/users/filmroellchen/statuses/116261397091987323https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaos.social/users/filmroellchen/statuses/116261397091987323Fri, 20 Mar 2026 12:02:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Fri, 20 Mar 2026 11:41:59 GMT]]>@danirabbit @alice u know what this might even be good. now pron sites can stop asking me if im over 18 and just fetch the fake age from the os

/hj

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/xyhhx/statuses/116261317452816772https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/xyhhx/statuses/116261317452816772Fri, 20 Mar 2026 11:41:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Fri, 20 Mar 2026 10:56:18 GMT]]>@danirabbit

You could also add to the checkbox something akin to "are you're Gavin Newsom ?" and if they say yes "you're clearly too technically illiterate to be allowed to use a computer" and then reboot..

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.tedomum.net/users/lienrag/statuses/116261137815142589https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.tedomum.net/users/lienrag/statuses/116261137815142589Fri, 20 Mar 2026 10:56:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Fri, 20 Mar 2026 10:53:53 GMT]]>@danirabbit

I guess "not complying in advance" in such a case would be something like stating "I can't do otherwise now because I need money to support myself so won't shut down my company, feel free to switch to another OS" and not, absolutely not and never, try to diminish the severity of this attack on general-purpose computation ?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.tedomum.net/users/lienrag/statuses/116261128341811878https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.tedomum.net/users/lienrag/statuses/116261128341811878Fri, 20 Mar 2026 10:53:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Fri, 20 Mar 2026 07:47:40 GMT]]>@smolbrain
What I am angry about is that 40M citizens in California make such decisions for 10B potential users in the world. It's not 'comply with THE LAW', rather comply with the law in one pretty tiny fraction of the world that in good old colonialism manner wants to make every person on earth happy by enforcing whatever shit they think is right onto them without asking.
Bonus: It's at least possible that revealing the date of birth of a user by default is AGAINST THE LAW in the European Union. So implementing such measures tells 400M people their laws don't count because 40M people think they shouldn't. @danirabbit

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://digitalcourage.social/users/derfopps/statuses/116260396124287395https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://digitalcourage.social/users/derfopps/statuses/116260396124287395Fri, 20 Mar 2026 07:47:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Fri, 20 Mar 2026 01:43:09 GMT]]>@danirabbit "You mean, you are asking me to choose between ethics and principles, and money in my bank account? Fuck that, I choose money every time" lol

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.cloud/users/boilingsteam/statuses/116258962738572125https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.cloud/users/boilingsteam/statuses/116258962738572125Fri, 20 Mar 2026 01:43:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Thu, 19 Mar 2026 22:51:50 GMT]]>@danirabbit@mastodon.online It just feels like we're giving up privacy rights inch by inch, to satisfy the overreach of a government most of us aren't even subjects of. Systemd already decided that birthDate will only be settable by admins, so the "lol just lie bozo" excuse doesn't work if you're don't own the machine you're using (like a teen in most households). That very much is complying in advance. Some government someday will declare that, say, information about trans identities should not be accessible for people under 18. Or maybe Russia will pass a law that the OS should transmit information about the sexual orientation of the user. Or China asks about religious affiliation. So sorry I guess that people didn't think of your business while the Torment Nexus gets build.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://pleroma.envs.net/objects/e09f5f9f-049e-480e-848b-6df38e07fa78https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://pleroma.envs.net/objects/e09f5f9f-049e-480e-848b-6df38e07fa78Thu, 19 Mar 2026 22:51:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Thu, 19 Mar 2026 21:57:46 GMT]]>@danirabbit this is a very naive take. Frog getting boiled.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/raspyberry/statuses/116258076524389414https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.ca/users/raspyberry/statuses/116258076524389414Thu, 19 Mar 2026 21:57:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Thu, 19 Mar 2026 20:55:04 GMT]]>@alice @danirabbit @smolbrain

My core belief is this is a first-amendment issue. But in order to get that affirmed by a court - it seems like you need to have your rights infringed first.

With the law not being in effect yet, not sure what standing anybody has to claim damage.

And handling all of that is so expensive. No single person can afford to fix this. I think that's by design.

Fuckin' sucks.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jprjr/statuses/116257829978309595https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jprjr/statuses/116257829978309595Thu, 19 Mar 2026 20:55:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Thu, 19 Mar 2026 03:39:18 GMT]]>@r0k Yeah, it's not really about protecting kids. Never has been.

Just makes me wanna huck all the data collectors into the sun. So very tired of it all.

@the_decryptor @danirabbit

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/solitha/statuses/116253757205273145https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/solitha/statuses/116253757205273145Thu, 19 Mar 2026 03:39:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Thu, 19 Mar 2026 03:33:43 GMT]]>@solitha @the_decryptor @danirabbit I found this while doing more research about this

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]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/r0k/statuses/116253735238455200https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/r0k/statuses/116253735238455200Thu, 19 Mar 2026 03:33:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Thu, 19 Mar 2026 03:28:59 GMT]]>@the_decryptor *shrug* I already read both the law text and the reporting on it.

@r0k @danirabbit

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/solitha/statuses/116253716595747252https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/solitha/statuses/116253716595747252Thu, 19 Mar 2026 03:28:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Thu, 19 Mar 2026 00:41:34 GMT]]>@the_decryptor @solitha @danirabbit it reads just as poor to me
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1043

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/r0k/statuses/116253058280129520https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/r0k/statuses/116253058280129520Thu, 19 Mar 2026 00:41:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Wed, 18 Mar 2026 22:31:41 GMT]]>@danirabbit
Is complying good or bad?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/nuwagaba2/statuses/116252547569787071https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/nuwagaba2/statuses/116252547569787071Wed, 18 Mar 2026 22:31:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Wed, 18 Mar 2026 22:18:36 GMT]]>@penguinrebellion @danirabbit

To be fair, I prefer a system like this linked to user-accounts which gets exposed to apps and browsers.
Way better than having to authenticate to a third party service.

Yes it can easy be bypassed by everyone that has root access. If you have local root I assume you are at least 16 or even an adult, so who cares?

You give the kids their own account with the age lock on it

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/Tijgertje1987/statuses/116252496107259467https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/Tijgertje1987/statuses/116252496107259467Wed, 18 Mar 2026 22:18:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Wed, 18 Mar 2026 20:07:21 GMT]]>@matt @danirabbit It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tweesecake.social/users/vol4life8657/statuses/116251980020721297https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tweesecake.social/users/vol4life8657/statuses/116251980020721297Wed, 18 Mar 2026 20:07:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to “Complying in advance” is when you go out of your way to do things that you don’t have to do to support authoritarian overreach. on Wed, 18 Mar 2026 19:30:23 GMT]]>@danirabbit

To the best of my knowledge, none of the regulations listed here: https://actonline.org/2025/01/14/the-abcs-of-age-verification-in-the-united-states/ is currently in effect, except for the Texan situation (in effect, but blocked by a court).

So I'd say if we are serious about what phrases mean, we need to distinguish between passed, enacted, and in effect.

I get that you can't implement things last minute, but I also don't see distros coordinating and discussing whether they should resist, and what form of resistance is possible, if any. Not even the small circle of the biggest upstream ones.

That type of coordinated discussion seems to be absent from the public space, but what isn't absent is developers and maintainers tossing around their favorite "cool implementation ideas".

I'd say this is what frustrates people and makes them talk about "complying in advance".

For the record: It is highly unethical to demand from others to violate laws in effect, risking the consequences that you have described.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tldr.nettime.org/ap/users/116210866728705852/statuses/116251834651323181https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tldr.nettime.org/ap/users/116210866728705852/statuses/116251834651323181Wed, 18 Mar 2026 19:30:23 GMT