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yet
đź‘€

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://axfedi.derg.rest/notes/akr2crp2abxp1f8ahttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://axfedi.derg.rest/notes/akr2crp2abxp1f8aMon, 06 Apr 2026 18:03:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 18:01:51 GMT]]>@shitpostalotl yes, you can turn all of those errors into compile-time C++ errors. (I have not done this yet, just implemented gluing the two files together at C++-compile-time.)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://pony.social/users/thephd/statuses/116359070432501283https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://pony.social/users/thephd/statuses/116359070432501283Mon, 06 Apr 2026 18:01:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 17:58:53 GMT]]>@thephd i definitely don't understand c++ to know which c++-exclusive features you're using to make this happen that can't be used in c. this is basically wizard techniques to me. question though: since lua is being compiled, does this mean that it could have compile-time errors for things that would have only shown up while running the program previously?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://axfedi.derg.rest/notes/akr26fq3vke2xj5jhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://axfedi.derg.rest/notes/akr26fq3vke2xj5jMon, 06 Apr 2026 17:58:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 15:04:19 GMT]]>@thephd just need some expression templates and you got yourself a quick'n'dirty code generator too

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/erisceleste/statuses/116358372332878211https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/erisceleste/statuses/116358372332878211Mon, 06 Apr 2026 15:04:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 14:52:11 GMT]]>@thephd every day we come closer to https://web.archive.org/web/20220501154514/https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/jee26l/should_c_just_standardize_an_interpreted_step_for/ and i'm glad for it]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://declin.eu/objects/919f483a-cd95-43fb-93bf-fb50dc5e1fe1https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://declin.eu/objects/919f483a-cd95-43fb-93bf-fb50dc5e1fe1Mon, 06 Apr 2026 14:52:11 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 14:43:42 GMT]]>@NekkoDroid (It's not in C++ yet, this is a personal branch.)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://pony.social/users/thephd/statuses/116358291262372010https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://pony.social/users/thephd/statuses/116358291262372010Mon, 06 Apr 2026 14:43:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 14:42:58 GMT]]>@NekkoDroid just trying to finish it off, yeah.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://pony.social/users/thephd/statuses/116358288407552301https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://pony.social/users/thephd/statuses/116358288407552301Mon, 06 Apr 2026 14:42:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 14:32:00 GMT]]>@shitpostalotl C++, not C. God forbid C having this kind of power.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://pony.social/users/thephd/statuses/116358245284953375https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://pony.social/users/thephd/statuses/116358245284953375Mon, 06 Apr 2026 14:32:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 12:50:09 GMT]]>@maxmustermann @thephd @uecker it doesn’t help that nothing it does is documented anywhere so if you want to replace it with something that doesn’t put peolpe in straitjackets, you will have to read all that]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shrimptest.0x0.st/notes/akqr5e8g93s3afxxhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shrimptest.0x0.st/notes/akqr5e8g93s3afxxMon, 06 Apr 2026 12:50:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 12:43:55 GMT]]>@mia The unpleasant experiences I had are not with projects doing run-time code generation by running a program during the build, but were all related to other random build complexities.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/uecker/statuses/116357820276791016https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/uecker/statuses/116357820276791016Mon, 06 Apr 2026 12:43:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 12:39:24 GMT]]>@thephd @maxmustermann @uecker how this ended up on systems that aren’t windows is a complete mystery to me]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shrimptest.0x0.st/notes/akqqrk9tc3t4m69fhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shrimptest.0x0.st/notes/akqqrk9tc3t4m69fMon, 06 Apr 2026 12:39:24 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 12:38:34 GMT]]>@thephd @maxmustermann @uecker there’s a lot of code working around the fact that cmake doesn’t have a list type (that’s right in true batch file fashion it only has ;-separated strings)]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shrimptest.0x0.st/notes/akqqqhkrbevk2tffhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shrimptest.0x0.st/notes/akqqqhkrbevk2tffMon, 06 Apr 2026 12:38:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 12:36:09 GMT]]>@maxmustermann @thephd @uecker the creators of cmake were just trying to replace build.bat

what i’m wondering is what the qt devs were smoking when they went with cmake and didn’t start questioning their choices about 4000 lines in

those 90k lines are a fraction of their cmake macros too]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shrimptest.0x0.st/notes/akqqndr2zhwyxv90https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shrimptest.0x0.st/notes/akqqndr2zhwyxv90Mon, 06 Apr 2026 12:36:09 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 12:30:58 GMT]]>@thephd @uecker i’m NOT saying everything should be centralized and build systems left with no responsibilities because that’s even worse and in practice has resulted in languages that are married to a specific version of LLVM]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shrimptest.0x0.st/notes/akqqgqejt34cx180https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shrimptest.0x0.st/notes/akqqgqejt34cx180Mon, 06 Apr 2026 12:30:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 12:27:15 GMT]]>@uecker @thephd it isn’t “build systems are a mess”, it’s “this isn’t meeting real-world needs, people have to get overly creative to fill that gap, and that in turn leads to more problems, worse interoperability, more complex dependencies and an overall unpleasant experience”]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shrimptest.0x0.st/notes/akqqbxqy1025e26fhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shrimptest.0x0.st/notes/akqqbxqy1025e26fMon, 06 Apr 2026 12:27:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 11:55:32 GMT]]>@mia @thephd You argument is "build systems are a mess, so solve everything in the compiler close to the source of the problem". Somehow this argument is also seems weak. Similar generic arguments always are used to justify centralization of complexity. But I do think code generation is fundamentally different from code translation and should not be done by the same tool and I do not think this is purely aesthetic argument. But let's agree to disagree.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/uecker/statuses/116357630023551563https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/uecker/statuses/116357630023551563Mon, 06 Apr 2026 11:55:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 11:49:02 GMT]]>@uecker @thephd i’m arguing in favor of putting that complexity as close to the source of the problem as possible so that it only needs to be dealt with in the one place that is in a very good position to do so, rather than an unbounded number of places that then have to wonder why it is still so hard and still requires all these crutches in the current year. like, so far your argument boils down to aesthetic preferences more than anything else and it makes me wonder who you think the languange and its tools are for]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shrimptest.0x0.st/notes/akqoyszff46zhx0jhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shrimptest.0x0.st/notes/akqoyszff46zhx0jMon, 06 Apr 2026 11:49:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 10:14:02 GMT]]>@mia @thephd I do not agree that the solution needs to be ugly hacks. I simply do not see why putting the complexity into the language and the compiler is a step to overall improvement. I think it does the opposite.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/uecker/statuses/116357230898512880https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/uecker/statuses/116357230898512880Mon, 06 Apr 2026 10:14:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 10:07:55 GMT]]>@thephd i'm trying my best to understand what is going on here, and what i think is happening is that you have made lua into a compiled language hosted(??) in c. is that correct?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://axfedi.derg.rest/notes/akqlcqzhbncusxvjhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://axfedi.derg.rest/notes/akqlcqzhbncusxvjMon, 06 Apr 2026 10:07:55 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 09:48:41 GMT]]>@thephd Wait, is there some update on std::embed in the standard library that I missed or is it still not a thing?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/NekkoDroid/statuses/116357131237290684https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/NekkoDroid/statuses/116357131237290684Mon, 06 Apr 2026 09:48:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 09:42:23 GMT]]>@uecker @thephd well i think the past 30 years of software engineering have abundantly demonstrated that people are generally bad at cleaning up messes. just look at libc.

i don’t like complexity either, but what we’re talking about here is a problem that is, much like wanting to embed binary files, nearly universal.

and good tools do not foist such things off on the user in the name of simplicity, especially when doing so results in a million ugly hacks downstream.
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]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/uecker/statuses/116356961494845971https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/uecker/statuses/116356961494845971Mon, 06 Apr 2026 09:05:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 08:56:58 GMT]]>@uecker @thephd meson can also handle that case (plus cross compilation and figuring out how to run it if it needs to compiled for a different system/architecture) in a single line as well.

but you’ve just said it: cross-compilation breaks the assumptions of many build systems. there aren’t many that properly support the canadian cross to begin with, and there’s a lot of platform-specific quirks that build systems need to figure out to make it all work as well.

that’s an incredible amount of jank and moving parts for something that could just be done by the compiler that you already use to compile the generator code.]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shrimptest.0x0.st/notes/akqitii9b1sgwtwphttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://shrimptest.0x0.st/notes/akqitii9b1sgwtwpMon, 06 Apr 2026 08:56:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to A r e y o u r e a d y t o h a v e s o m e f u n ? on Mon, 06 Apr 2026 08:47:48 GMT]]>@uecker @thephd ...
I also still think that the C/C++ build system ecosystem only has the chance of getting addressed IFF we take away responsibility from them and simplify them first. Standardizing the complexity that currently exist across all of them would just result in an even more complex generalized "solution" that really does not help at all.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/manx/statuses/116356891848910911https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/manx/statuses/116356891848910911Mon, 06 Apr 2026 08:47:48 GMT