Something I find interesting about the way Toby Fox and people that occupy that space handle queerness is the fact that, like, none of their characters are really queer, per se.

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alsvid@brain.worm.pink — Thu, 14 May 2026 16:28:03 GMT

@AppleAmps

@shroomie

I've been told Carol is also racist, which is why she looks Like That.

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appleamps@seafoam.space — Thu, 14 May 2026 16:22:53 GMT

@shroomie
And you can see this in action! Queer-focused discussions of Deltarune always have to exist within the realm of theories and assumptions: Ralsei is an egg, Toriel and Carol are homophobic, Mancountry represents Kris' transition, because if you stick to what's explicit in the text there aren't any discussions to be had.

Reply to Something I find interesting about the way Toby Fox and people that occupy that space handle queerness is the fact that, like, none of their characters are really queer, per se. on Thu, 14 May 2026 16:19:46 GMT

appleamps@seafoam.space — Thu, 14 May 2026 16:19:46 GMT

@shroomie
Frankly the Toriel bit is approaching fanon but either way, that's my point. If Kris was transplanted to our reality they'd obviously be trans because to be where they are they'd have had to transition, but within the text they aren't because they didn't. What I'm talking about here is that the trans experience necessitates transition, a transgression against cispatriarchal social norms. Within a fictional setting where those norms don't exist, and someone really can just spawn in being non-binary, trans-ness isn't a concept that applies. That's also my point with Undyne and Alphys, if they existed on Earth they'd be queer but because within the Underground queer people are treated as straight, their fictional relationship is culturally closer to irl straight pairings than irl gay pairings.
My point is that UTDR has a lot of representation where the character in question is technically gay or trans but not a lot that reflects the experience of being queer.

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shroomie@seafoam.space — Thu, 14 May 2026 15:28:43 GMT

@AppleAmps idk? imo there's SOME evidence that toriel is homophobic in some way, and i've always read kris as explicitly trans(nonbinary), in the same or a similar way to how i and other real people are trans

Something I find interesting about the way Toby Fox and people that occupy that space handle queerness is the fact that, like, none of their characters are really *queer,* per se.

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Reply to Something I find interesting about the way Toby Fox and people that occupy that space handle queerness is the fact that, like, none of their characters are really *queer,* per se. on Thu, 14 May 2026 16:22:53 GMT

Reply to Something I find interesting about the way Toby Fox and people that occupy that space handle queerness is the fact that, like, none of their characters are really *queer,* per se. on Thu, 14 May 2026 16:19:46 GMT

Reply to Something I find interesting about the way Toby Fox and people that occupy that space handle queerness is the fact that, like, none of their characters are really *queer,* per se. on Thu, 14 May 2026 15:28:43 GMT

Something I find interesting about the way Toby Fox and people that occupy that space handle queerness is the fact that, like, none of their characters are really queer, per se.

Reply to Something I find interesting about the way Toby Fox and people that occupy that space handle queerness is the fact that, like, none of their characters are really queer, per se. on Thu, 14 May 2026 16:28:03 GMT

Reply to Something I find interesting about the way Toby Fox and people that occupy that space handle queerness is the fact that, like, none of their characters are really queer, per se. on Thu, 14 May 2026 16:22:53 GMT

Reply to Something I find interesting about the way Toby Fox and people that occupy that space handle queerness is the fact that, like, none of their characters are really queer, per se. on Thu, 14 May 2026 16:19:46 GMT

Reply to Something I find interesting about the way Toby Fox and people that occupy that space handle queerness is the fact that, like, none of their characters are really queer, per se. on Thu, 14 May 2026 15:28:43 GMT