<![CDATA[the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women"]]>the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women"

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/2dcf1bbf-12bb-44cb-bcd3-e9f95b5ec367/the-exhausting-alienation-from-both-sides-of-the-trans-debate-from-uk-academia-and-media-being-but-think-how-this-will-affect-cis-womenRSS for NodeMon, 25 May 2026 09:45:27 GMTSun, 24 May 2026 14:32:00 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 17:04:14 GMT]]>@siege @thevhswizard people in the states like this, remember the men here don't give a fuck what women think and what you just described sounds kickass to them actually

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/0x00string/statuses/116630634784030861https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/0x00string/statuses/116630634784030861Sun, 24 May 2026 17:04:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:54:33 GMT]]>@unlofl @victoria it’s cheaper to eliminate our public existence which is already the goal than to re-route plumbing

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630596734249623https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630596734249623Sun, 24 May 2026 16:54:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:53:49 GMT]]>@victoria @siege @unlofl oh I’ve seen terfs make up all sorts of shit but again: rhetoric and reality doesn’t matter

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630593837990384https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630593837990384Sun, 24 May 2026 16:53:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:52:17 GMT]]>@JoscelynTransient @siege @CordiallyChloe @thevhswizard when has reality ever stood in the way of genocide?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630587827070131https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630587827070131Sun, 24 May 2026 16:52:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:39:27 GMT]]>@Callanbellwether @siege @CordiallyChloe @thevhswizard ughughhhughugh…which always comes from some nepobaby playing socialist when trans people are majority poor or working class. Hell, trans people are at the vanguard of labor organizing here in the States. Blarghy argh argh!

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaosfem.tw/users/JoscelynTransient/statuses/116630537325156447https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaosfem.tw/users/JoscelynTransient/statuses/116630537325156447Sun, 24 May 2026 16:39:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:37:15 GMT]]>@JoscelynTransient @siege @CordiallyChloe @thevhswizard no, that being trans specifically is bourgeoise, in the same sort of second wave feminism ‘after the revolution gender roles will be abolished’ sense

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630528656250006https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630528656250006Sun, 24 May 2026 16:37:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:35:12 GMT]]>@Callanbellwether @siege @CordiallyChloe @thevhswizard wait, are there people actually saying access to public restrooms is bourgeois issue?!

Here in SoCal, it’s a class issue alright - the poor and unhoused are restricted from having access to public restrooms and are criminalized for peeing in public. Like, it’s about standing up for poor, working class, and unhoused trans people to fight for safe bathroom access for everyone. Blargh!

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaosfem.tw/users/JoscelynTransient/statuses/116630520639834125https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaosfem.tw/users/JoscelynTransient/statuses/116630520639834125Sun, 24 May 2026 16:35:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:33:02 GMT]]>@CordiallyChloe @Callanbellwether @thevhswizard @siege I mean, we’ve even had higher profile Democrat politicians bring this kind of stuff up when it came to “sex verification” for children’s sports, since it’s basically creating a legally enforced opportunity for the SA of children. They even used it to campaign against these bills…and it hasn’t succeeded in the long run.

I think that’s one of the problems with this flavor of “ally” rhetoric too - it doesn’t stop this stuff any better really. There is one approach to it that could stand up for both trans and GNC cis people: bring up “hey, why are we giving police the power to tell everyone how to dress or express themselves? Why the fuck is it the government’s business what a person does in private in a restroom?”

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaosfem.tw/users/JoscelynTransient/statuses/116630512074488809https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaosfem.tw/users/JoscelynTransient/statuses/116630512074488809Sun, 24 May 2026 16:33:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:32:23 GMT]]>@siege @CordiallyChloe @thevhswizard Ughhhh yeah ‘fellas is it bourgeois to take medicine and be free of the urinary leash?’ APPARENTLY. Also the fucking audacity when we are very much a class struggling w no goddamn money and a genocidal apparatus

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630509524058161https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630509524058161Sun, 24 May 2026 16:32:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:29:37 GMT]]>@siege@masto.hackers.town this already happened here (Brazil) at a gym. People are getting crazy =/
]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://recondo.com.br/michel/p/1779640177.479126https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://recondo.com.br/michel/p/1779640177.479126Sun, 24 May 2026 16:29:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:28:30 GMT]]>@Callanbellwether @CordiallyChloe @thevhswizard also "this is a middle class issue! stop distracting from class struggle"

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://masto.hackers.town/users/siege/statuses/116630494273443413https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://masto.hackers.town/users/siege/statuses/116630494273443413Sun, 24 May 2026 16:28:30 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:26:21 GMT]]>@CordiallyChloe @thevhswizard @siege YUP exactly

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630485859713151https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630485859713151Sun, 24 May 2026 16:26:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:24:49 GMT]]>@siege @unlofl @victoria the ‘ehehe lookit me ladieess’ from my brethren makes me want to rip myself in half like rumplestiltskin

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630479802432700https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630479802432700Sun, 24 May 2026 16:24:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:23:39 GMT]]>@unlofl @siege @victoria on my list of issues w those trying to destroy us ‘why don’t they talk about me more specifically’ is not particularly high but there def those who do

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630475238089956https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630475238089956Sun, 24 May 2026 16:23:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:18:52 GMT]]>@siege

It hasn't affected cis women for the past century, and so all things being equal the future would be the same.

But then manufactured moral panics are never logical

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://lgbtqia.space/users/alexadeswift/statuses/116630456425628690https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://lgbtqia.space/users/alexadeswift/statuses/116630456425628690Sun, 24 May 2026 16:18:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:16:35 GMT]]>@Callanbellwether @thevhswizard @siege

I've had cis people respond to these conversations with the gamut of "no it won't," "that doesn't make sense," "that can't happen," "that'd be illegal," "well you pass so it won't matter," "nobody actually cares," and so much more.

Every excuse to brush off the facts of what we're dealing with, rather than actually face the realities of it all.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/CordiallyChloe/statuses/116630447397981748https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://tech.lgbt/users/CordiallyChloe/statuses/116630447397981748Sun, 24 May 2026 16:16:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:13:08 GMT]]>@thevhswizard @siege that’s a fact American trans people have also been pointing out for years, but you’ve self proven about how much anyone (and by anyone I mean cis people) listen to us 🤷‍♂️

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630433851818622https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/Callanbellwether/statuses/116630433851818622Sun, 24 May 2026 16:13:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 16:12:15 GMT]]>@siege @unlofl @victoria yeah like, 5 years ago maybe it was a fun gotcha or whatever, but oh don't you worry they've thought about that, keep up

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://floss.social/users/zbrown/statuses/116630430409056794https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://floss.social/users/zbrown/statuses/116630430409056794Sun, 24 May 2026 16:12:15 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 15:27:13 GMT]]>@victoria @siege @unlofl the situation is a drunk rich white lady at a pub deciding she wants to have a go with a minority she's legally allowed to bash

that's about it

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://unstable.systems/users/AmyZenunim/statuses/116630253282282508https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://unstable.systems/users/AmyZenunim/statuses/116630253282282508Sun, 24 May 2026 15:27:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 15:10:12 GMT]]>@faithisleaping
Yeah, people who would have their minds changed by "this will hurt cis folks too" are just going to double down on trying to modify it to only hurt trans people, even if that is impossible
@siege

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://lgbtqia.space/ap/users/116205631931276462/statuses/116630186385747057https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://lgbtqia.space/ap/users/116205631931276462/statuses/116630186385747057Sun, 24 May 2026 15:10:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 15:02:44 GMT]]>@siege I'm genuinely surprised nobody in the States has ever taken this as a tact to argue against these sort of bills. "By enacting this you are giving them the right to make everybody verify their gender - that means you too, cis white lady. Prepare to drop trow at any man's request."

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://retro.pizza/users/thevhswizard/statuses/116630157055709972https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://retro.pizza/users/thevhswizard/statuses/116630157055709972Sun, 24 May 2026 15:02:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 15:00:01 GMT]]>@victoria We might need to change the urinals/toilets ratio in very large mens rooms? Yeah, thats quite a stretch 🤷

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.social/users/unlofl/statuses/116630146378949703https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.social/users/unlofl/statuses/116630146378949703Sun, 24 May 2026 15:00:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 14:55:58 GMT]]>@siege @unlofl I know it's not actually about the bathrooms, but since they say it is they should explain what the hell they're doing when they use the bathroom because I've never found myself in the situation where any of this matters.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://lgbtqia.space/ap/users/116608595244250618/statuses/116630130431873549https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://lgbtqia.space/ap/users/116608595244250618/statuses/116630130431873549Sun, 24 May 2026 14:55:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to the exhausting alienation from both sides of the trans debate from uk academia and media being "but think how this will affect cis women" on Sun, 24 May 2026 14:55:51 GMT]]>@siege

I make arguments like that because I want to emphasize why trans rights are a feminist issue

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://todon.nl/users/burnoutqueen/statuses/116630129995013759https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://todon.nl/users/burnoutqueen/statuses/116630129995013759Sun, 24 May 2026 14:55:51 GMT