<![CDATA[i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs.]]>i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. fuck that! ethical concerns front and fucking center! it is very revealing that tech is currently in such a state that the quiet part can be said out loud without any pushback.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/29a6ee19-39ad-4734-a329-8c12f7c06bb1/i-am-so-tired-of-ethical-concerns-aside-being-a-phrase-i-see-every-single-time-someone-tries-to-defend-the-use-of-llms.RSS for NodeMon, 25 May 2026 08:07:03 GMTFri, 15 May 2026 17:11:33 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 20:29:34 GMT]]>@phil @pgcd @nicuveo Incredible how there are creatures, who'd rather look down on someone with a hard life situation, rather then trying to actually provide any practical help with finding a better job, migrating to a better place, or whatever, instead of posting comments and calling it a day. Similar mentality to the "you are poor, because you're too lazy to work hard" or "you should become a better craftsperson to have a good life" texts. Or similar to those who try to gatekeep blind creatures off their own computers because of their philosophical views on software licencing.

If that job is bad to work for, DM me and maybe I could help with finding an alternative.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://furry.engineer/users/aronowski/statuses/116586143712489700https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://furry.engineer/users/aronowski/statuses/116586143712489700Sat, 16 May 2026 20:29:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 20:21:01 GMT]]>@davey_cakes@mastodon.ie @nicuveo@tech.lgbt @MaddieM4@raphus.social Same to you. I'm on PTO but still building a common lisp harness for these things... a different approach to what we see around. If Universe allows, it'll see the light of day in the coming weeks.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fed.bajsicki.com/notes/amccvalugphttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fed.bajsicki.com/notes/amccvalugpSat, 16 May 2026 20:21:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 20:19:23 GMT]]>@VANTABlack2000 @nicuveo I've already heard of cases where employees were pressured to use LLMs as part if employee performance assessment. I feel for them, if the case is that the tool makes the work harder than easier, because not only one should be able to use the tools they want and tailor them to their needs, but the models might also produce garbage. I've seen a case where an AI agent was analyzing a codebase, which one buddy knows by heart, and exhausted all the token credits, trying to do anything. Would be better if everyone was using the tools that work best for them.

That said, what do you think of the cases where an agent can synthesize software, that a non-programmer can show as a proof-of-concept, whereas before AI such person wouldn't be able to write any code at all? Think of creatures like me, who get frustrated when trying to learn to program, who enjoy working with paper documents and would rather use Excel for data crunching than (unsuccessfully) write Python scripts?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://furry.engineer/users/aronowski/statuses/116586103680323937https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://furry.engineer/users/aronowski/statuses/116586103680323937Sat, 16 May 2026 20:19:23 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 20:19:01 GMT]]>@MaddieM4 @phil @nicuveo

I was unemployed for nearly a year

I think I got dinged in a couple of interviews for not loving the bot

I applied to ethical places and didn't make the cut

I got a Claude subscription and learned to be literate in LLM code generation

The job I eventually got was one that also wanted that

Never going to hate anyone for using this stuff to stay in work, I just hate that it's a requirement

Hoping for better days for both of you

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/davey_cakes/statuses/116586102241946173https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/davey_cakes/statuses/116586102241946173Sat, 16 May 2026 20:19:01 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 18:18:16 GMT]]>@nicuveo @joshsutphin Needless to say, I agree.

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]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://wandering.shop/users/xgranade/statuses/116585627440517755https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://wandering.shop/users/xgranade/statuses/116585627440517755Sat, 16 May 2026 18:18:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 18:08:16 GMT]]>@nicuveo this bizzare pattern of people openly undermining their argument then acting like they did not just undermine their argument

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chitter.xyz/users/sylvie/statuses/116585588097348458https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chitter.xyz/users/sylvie/statuses/116585588097348458Sat, 16 May 2026 18:08:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 18:07:26 GMT]]>@aronowski OCR existed before "AI"......

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chitter.xyz/users/sylvie/statuses/116585584822548556https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chitter.xyz/users/sylvie/statuses/116585584822548556Sat, 16 May 2026 18:07:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 16:31:54 GMT]]>@pgcd@mastodon.online @nicuveo@tech.lgbt Surprisingly, slaves need to be sheltered, fed, clothed. My GPUs only need a bit of space in the PC case.

So no. I couldn't afford a slave, even if I were that evil.

Hence, argument invalid.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fed.bajsicki.com/notes/amc4on4ob0https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fed.bajsicki.com/notes/amc4on4ob0Sat, 16 May 2026 16:31:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 15:53:44 GMT]]>@nicuveo to be fair there was an incredible amount of pushback which was heartening to see

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/aburka/statuses/116585059117814759https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/aburka/statuses/116585059117814759Sat, 16 May 2026 15:53:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 15:38:28 GMT]]>@phil
You're not wrong. Ethical concerns aside, slavery would help a lot for your use case.

@nicuveo

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/pgcd/statuses/116584999047883591https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/pgcd/statuses/116584999047883591Sat, 16 May 2026 15:38:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 15:38:22 GMT]]>@nicuveo My "ethical concerns aside" has been "It's still shit"

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://guild.pmdcollab.org/users/StaticR/statuses/116584998647939829https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://guild.pmdcollab.org/users/StaticR/statuses/116584998647939829Sat, 16 May 2026 15:38:22 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 15:00:39 GMT]]>@nicuveo @ronanmcd I have heard this ‘logic’ advanced by some who say drunk driving should be allowed because it is essential for rural communities!

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/baoigheallain/statuses/116584850338677400https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.ie/users/baoigheallain/statuses/116584850338677400Sat, 16 May 2026 15:00:39 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 14:53:27 GMT]]>@phil @nicuveo what were you doing 2 years ago?
(OK I've seen below)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.games/ap/users/115798900176839373/statuses/116584822056090866https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.games/ap/users/115798900176839373/statuses/116584822056090866Sat, 16 May 2026 14:53:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 14:41:02 GMT]]>@nicuveo "aside from all the murdering, Ted Bundy was a pretty good guy!"

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/ketmorco/statuses/116584773202878336https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/ketmorco/statuses/116584773202878336Sat, 16 May 2026 14:41:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 14:17:21 GMT]]>@SecondUniverse @nicuveo Jesus, you are TOO good at that. Please promise to only ever use your powers for good.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/EdCates/statuses/116584680094921872https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/EdCates/statuses/116584680094921872Sat, 16 May 2026 14:17:21 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 12:52:53 GMT]]>@indigoparadox @nicuveo I think the kill switch he’s opposing is not a breathalyzer but a driver-facing camera that’s supposed to detect “impairment” using some bullshit algorithm. It’s legit creepy and invasive - some cars already have them to beep at you if you stop watching the road while the assisted cruise thing is on. But there’s a bill proposing making them mandatory for all new US cars

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/yusef/statuses/116584347988778499https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/yusef/statuses/116584347988778499Sat, 16 May 2026 12:52:53 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 11:51:35 GMT]]>@aronowski @nicuveo That's fair. If you need AI for something like that I won't judge. Especially when it is just extracting information.

When I said "AI" I meant more of Generative AI like Claude or ChatGPT.

If someone needs technology for something that's fine too, but some people are losing what they have because they use tech they don't need. Like if a person who 100% can walk uses a wheelchair constantly. Especially when it comes to things like Gen AI.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/VANTABlack2000/statuses/116584106939352859https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/VANTABlack2000/statuses/116584106939352859Sat, 16 May 2026 11:51:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 11:44:20 GMT]]>@VANTABlack2000 @nicuveo

What does AI even do other than produce slop and make people reliant on technology

It allows a blind creature, who has to operate a Linux installation without working speech synthesis (because the maintainers messed that up and didn't care about accessibility), even attempt to debug the mess in the first place and have an operational, accessible machine:

Want to debug it?
You can’t—because you can’t hear anything.
So you grab your phone, take a picture of the screen, feed it to an image captioning AI, and hope it tells you whether the error dialog says “Audio device unavailable” or “Session startup failed.”

Speaking about the reliance on technology, yes, some creatures have to rely on technology, like wheelchairs, pacemakers, etc. as well to be able to live.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://furry.engineer/users/aronowski/statuses/116584078418491038https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://furry.engineer/users/aronowski/statuses/116584078418491038Sat, 16 May 2026 11:44:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 11:38:05 GMT]]>@mrotteveel Schrodinger's toot.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/womble/statuses/116584053821887315https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/womble/statuses/116584053821887315Sat, 16 May 2026 11:38:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 11:00:42 GMT]]>@nicuveo I am increasingly convinced Anthropic are engaged in an intentional effort to bastardise the very concept of ethics when discussing AI so they can kill it and wear it's skin the way Murray Rothbard did to Libertarianism.

'No need to worry about the ethics of AI, I read an interview with a person from Anthropic and they have 3 highly ethical people discussing the ethics of AI, working in an ethical soundproof broom cupboard so it's all covered!'

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://furs.social/users/Rycochet/statuses/116583906803187510https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://furs.social/users/Rycochet/statuses/116583906803187510Sat, 16 May 2026 11:00:42 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 10:32:59 GMT]]>@lizbian Probably, but that is not how it reads at first glance.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.social/users/mrotteveel/statuses/116583797866272292https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.social/users/mrotteveel/statuses/116583797866272292Sat, 16 May 2026 10:32:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 09:23:29 GMT]]>@mrotteveel isn't he saying there that he is only for breathalysers if someone has been convicted before, but not everyone by default?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaos.social/users/lizbian/statuses/116583524564287173https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://chaos.social/users/lizbian/statuses/116583524564287173Sat, 16 May 2026 09:23:29 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 08:57:28 GMT]]>@MaddieM4@raphus.social @davey_cakes@mastodon.ie @nicuveo@tech.lgbt I'm very aware of that. Very. First, I need to get this brain-fog gone. I genuinely have trouble thinking straight. Thus the PTO.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fed.bajsicki.com/notes/ambog8f5m4https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fed.bajsicki.com/notes/ambog8f5m4Sat, 16 May 2026 08:57:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to i am so tired of "ethical concerns aside" being a phrase i see every single time someone tries to defend the use of LLMs. on Sat, 16 May 2026 08:56:00 GMT]]>@nicuveo, funny enough I was about to make the same argument, except I wanted to use speed limits.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/mgorny/statuses/116583416484416587https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/mgorny/statuses/116583416484416587Sat, 16 May 2026 08:56:00 GMT