<![CDATA["generative models are fine"say you have no friends without saying you have no friendsif you had friends who are visual artists, musicians, writers, translators, or any other affected profession, your views would be different]]>"generative models are fine"

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if you had friends who are visual artists, musicians, writers, translators, or any other affected profession, your views would be different

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/1cd00682-ce4f-40e5-a557-04866897e8d7/generative-models-are-fine-say-you-have-no-friends-without-saying-you-have-no-friendsif-you-had-friends-who-are-visual-artists-musicians-writers-translators-or-any-other-affected-profession-your-views-would-be-differentRSS for NodeMon, 25 May 2026 16:40:05 GMTWed, 20 May 2026 15:53:47 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to "generative models are fine"say you have no friends without saying you have no friendsif you had friends who are visual artists, musicians, writers, translators, or any other affected profession, your views would be different on Wed, 20 May 2026 17:07:57 GMT]]>@cloudskater @sammy @lumi @elexia is argos translate/libretranslate using an LLM?]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://berkeley.edu.pl/objects/16920711-706e-419f-ac54-b32d12dd7bddhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://berkeley.edu.pl/objects/16920711-706e-419f-ac54-b32d12dd7bddWed, 20 May 2026 17:07:57 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "generative models are fine"say you have no friends without saying you have no friendsif you had friends who are visual artists, musicians, writers, translators, or any other affected profession, your views would be different on Wed, 20 May 2026 16:55:43 GMT]]>@elexia@twoot.site @lumi@snug.moe @sammy@cherrykitten.gay

Are there any translation programs left that don't use LLMs that you know of? Preferably open source.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://bark.wolp.chat/fediverse/post/49a1a031-352c-4277-98e4-a9e3e2d62839https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://bark.wolp.chat/fediverse/post/49a1a031-352c-4277-98e4-a9e3e2d62839Wed, 20 May 2026 16:55:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "generative models are fine"say you have no friends without saying you have no friendsif you had friends who are visual artists, musicians, writers, translators, or any other affected profession, your views would be different on Wed, 20 May 2026 16:16:40 GMT]]>@elexia @lumi @cloudskater

old machine translation didn't have context and sometimes used wrong words or didn't get the grammar right

llm based translation still doesn't have context but acts like it does anyways and is prone to just making up completely new shit that wasn't in the source

old machine translation was bad in predictable and noticable ways

llm translation can sneak in hard to spot mistakes and is extremely unpredictable

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cherrykitten.gay/users/sammy/statuses/01KS32SJ078GN30T44CBAAWDTRhttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cherrykitten.gay/users/sammy/statuses/01KS32SJ078GN30T44CBAAWDTRWed, 20 May 2026 16:16:40 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "generative models are fine"say you have no friends without saying you have no friendsif you had friends who are visual artists, musicians, writers, translators, or any other affected profession, your views would be different on Wed, 20 May 2026 16:08:52 GMT]]>@lumi @cloudskater I mean LLMs are also just worse for translation in many ways than the machine translations we already had prior. they have the same issues of not understanding context and nuance, but not just are they much larger models with more power use, they also are prone to just making stuff up too. which is not something you want in a translation. at the same time the output might look more polished, giving the impression of a better translation while sacrificing accuracy. I think that's actually very dangerous.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://twoot.site/users/elexia/statuses/116607767855551860https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://twoot.site/users/elexia/statuses/116607767855551860Wed, 20 May 2026 16:08:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "generative models are fine"say you have no friends without saying you have no friendsif you had friends who are visual artists, musicians, writers, translators, or any other affected profession, your views would be different on Wed, 20 May 2026 16:00:59 GMT]]>@cloudskater no, in case of genai i feel the problem with translation specifically is over-reliance. they still strip the humanity off everything

many people also do not understand the intricacies of translation and how nuanced it all is

good translations involve way more than just replacing words

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://snug.moe/notes/amhtcag1xby8bl4phttps://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://snug.moe/notes/amhtcag1xby8bl4pWed, 20 May 2026 16:00:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to "generative models are fine"say you have no friends without saying you have no friendsif you had friends who are visual artists, musicians, writers, translators, or any other affected profession, your views would be different on Wed, 20 May 2026 15:58:07 GMT]]>@lumi@snug.moe

So, in your opinion were machine translators always a bad thing? Genuine question.

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