Look at who started this. Worked for Google, Apple, Android.

This place was built as a direct fuck you to the kind of bullshit corpo fascists you worked for pushed on us.

And now your trying to push even more corpofash bullshit into this place and have the balls to tell us WE are the problem?

Dude, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. The people you served your whole professional life are destroying people's minds, lives, and even countries. Now you are diligently pushing the fucking garbage into every nook and cranny, looking for new worlds to exploit.

Fuck you. Fuck Google, Apple, Microsoft, and all the sloplords who are holding the reins attached to your bit. Sell your hellish garbage somwwhere else.

User Experience? You, sir, experience an awful goddamned day.

Some ideas are bad and should be treated like they're bad. Current AI models are built by exploiting pretty much everyone. They're hiking up the cost of computers and basic utilities. They're probably going to completely destroy the global economy when the bubble pops.

I don't have to be welcoming to people who are going to stan for something that is actively causing harm.

Apparently, the "Product Strategy Advisor to #Mastodon Core team" doesn't understand its userbase, Mastodon's nor the fediverse. It's always been about personal choice.

FWIW, nothing is stopping "AI People" from joining Mastodon nor the fedi. Mastodon is part of the fedi, it's another selling point.

If their instance doesn't want them, they can spin an instance on their own.

No one can force a community to be accepted.

@Gargron

Re: #5, LOL. Are you suggesting that we're "losing" AI boosters because Mastodon is super racist? Because that's why you don't see Black folks around here.

The mechanism that chased away black people was active racist hate bots posting in their DMs. Do you think "I'm not planning to listen to AI bros" is the same mechanism as "I'm planning to make a botnet to post KKK material at black people"?

@mattwilcox @Gargron

You seriously compared AI bros to Black folks. You did that. With your whole chest.

I'd need to subject myself to Trump's ranting to read something more foul today.

Take your racist shite along with your slop cheerleading and go.

There's room for (almost) everyone on Mastodon. You want to have AI discussions it might be best to find a server that is into AI - like https://sigmoid.social ?

But yeah, many people aren't a fan of AI, myself included. Luckely we have the choices here

@Gargron

I do use AI at work and with local models to learn at home. My personal use runs on 3 GPUs that consume a max of 175, 125 and 35 watts. I find it interesting but I don’t expect anyone else to.

I would suggest the negativity is all on the LLM type of AI - I don’t personally see anyone being negative on the ML variants. Marketing LLMs as AI implies to me they’re pushing an AGI narrative which is simply false. These models lack cognition and are simply good enough at predicting the next token to fool many into believing they do.

Frontends like #Phanpy help with 'catchup' features, but I think the entire ecosystem is ill suited for engagement. Maybe that's a good thing, idk.

@carnage4life

"4. The solution is NOT "gatekeeping", revelling in the fact that AI journalists aren't welcome
5. This is the same reason we lost "Black Twitter" when it came over in 2022"

I don't like how this frames "AI journalists" as the same kind of category as "Black Twitter".

Racism kills people.

Badly-implemented so-called AI also kills people, e.g. via medical mistakes or (sometimes racist!) funding decisions, and via chatbots encouraging suicide.

_Criticising_ it has so far _not_ killed anyone as far as I'm aware, correct me if I'm wrong.

A rejection of AI hype (even if expressed in a snarky way), or a lack of interest in news about it, are not in the same category as racism. Nowhere near the same league.

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If we're talking about reasons for Black Twitter not settling in here, here's 2:

(a) Black people getting horrible racist harassment via their Fedi accounts: often invisible to Fedi-in-general due to how following & replying works, hence then also having to deal with endless naive "Fedi is lovely, I never see any racism".

(b) Initially the Mastodon team was adamantly against implementing quote-boosts, which are/were a vital element in the flow of Black Twitter - whereas Bluesky _did_ implement quoting, making it a much closer match to Twitter in its affordances.

So I don't think what's actually happening day-to-day is very similar, either.

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If we're talking about why the Fedi average is more negative than other social media environments about so-called AI... well it might have something to do with it being tech geek central, hence full of people who have a pretty good idea of how the sausage is made.

I have some sympathy for people who _have_ been using LLMs. There are some things they can do okay if you don't trust them too far, a lot of people are unaware of the so-called externalities, and for a non-techie person they can seem almost magical. But my sympathy doesn't extend to, like, "don't pour cold water on the hype". It seems to me that "scepticism, wariness and major ethical reservations" is an entirely reasonable position, and I like it that the Fedi seems to be thereabouts on average.

Seriously, @scottjenson 's attitude here seems to really boil down to "Our technology based largely on theft is owed acceptance and adoration".