<![CDATA[If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide?]]>If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? (it's impossible to actually *know*)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/0a6fe0b0-af26-416d-911e-b9e51b177327/if-you-were-to-guess-which-of-these-components-is-installed-in-most-devices-world-wideRSS for NodeMon, 25 May 2026 14:27:38 GMTSun, 17 May 2026 22:06:37 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 22:40:20 GMT]]>@bagder

I voted libz due to the dependencies in vcpkg:

curl depends on zlib . It also depends on openssl for most configurations that people actually use
sqlite3 depends on zlib as an option

I *thought* OpenSSL depended on zlib as well when I answered but it looks like I was mistaken

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/malwareminigun/statuses/116597982513170441https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/malwareminigun/statuses/116597982513170441Mon, 18 May 2026 22:40:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 16:27:27 GMT]]>@bagder my guess is there are billions of mobile devices and they all need to store data, but not all of them need to curl something, so probably sqlite is the highest

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/SiliconRaven/statuses/116596516276957485https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/SiliconRaven/statuses/116596516276957485Mon, 18 May 2026 16:27:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 14:46:59 GMT]]>@paolo_lulli @bagder I went back and forth between those two.

There’s a lot of little devices put there that needs at least some smal sliver of conectivity.

There’s also a lot of lite devices that need to record (and retrieve) stuff in a somewhat structured manner.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/jordgubben/statuses/116596121221617985https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/jordgubben/statuses/116596121221617985Mon, 18 May 2026 14:46:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 14:15:17 GMT]]>@bagder

libcurl often pulls in libz and openssl, so its installs *may* inflate the other two. So I think it's *less* likely (but not impossible) to be #1.

libsqlite I don't have a vibe on. I know it's popular for embedded... 🤷‍♀️

OpenSSL has multiple alternatives on POSIX and Win/Mac have OS level crypto APIs. Embedded uses are probably better served by more... minimized, task-specific libraries.

zlib is the go-to IF interop (esp for legacy) is needed, but better algos exist for greenfield.

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]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://phpc.social/users/pollita/statuses/116595996557946705https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://phpc.social/users/pollita/statuses/116595996557946705Mon, 18 May 2026 14:15:17 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 14:12:19 GMT]]>@bagder i voted libcurl, but was thinking sqlite

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116427030168473327/statuses/116595984927593735https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/ap/users/116427030168473327/statuses/116595984927593735Mon, 18 May 2026 14:12:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 13:49:51 GMT]]>@babble_endanger @bagder Sounds like a VW, right?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/numeredevs/statuses/116595896560856125https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/numeredevs/statuses/116595896560856125Mon, 18 May 2026 13:49:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 13:34:59 GMT]]>@dermoth there are multi-billion installs of libcurl using other TLS libraries than OpenSSL though

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/bagder/statuses/116595838121658084https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/bagder/statuses/116595838121658084Mon, 18 May 2026 13:34:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 13:34:10 GMT]]>@bagder the thing about OpenSSL is that it would probably win if we grouped all SSL alternatives into one, but there is just one libcurl! 😉

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://jasette.facil.services/users/dermoth/statuses/116595834931118272https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://jasette.facil.services/users/dermoth/statuses/116595834931118272Mon, 18 May 2026 13:34:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 09:01:33 GMT]]>@bagder Having seen Android App sources that contained multiple copies (and versions, of course) of some of these components in one single app, I guess the answer is all of them.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://society.oftrolls.com/users/geert/statuses/116594762932117778https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://society.oftrolls.com/users/geert/statuses/116594762932117778Mon, 18 May 2026 09:01:33 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 08:59:28 GMT]]>@xeniac @bagder it depends on how you count. Mobile iOS and Android applications often use sqlite. If you count any database file as an installation it wins (IMO). If you count every sqlite client library it might still (since devs might still include a library and not use the system provided ones).

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/faker/statuses/116594754721621282https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/faker/statuses/116594754721621282Mon, 18 May 2026 08:59:28 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 07:18:20 GMT]]>@bagder Can't be SQLite because my car's stupid infotainment unit keeps forgetting that I set it to "Shuffle"

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://freeradical.zone/users/babble_endanger/statuses/116594357062744888https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://freeradical.zone/users/babble_endanger/statuses/116594357062744888Mon, 18 May 2026 07:18:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 06:54:13 GMT]]>@aanee there are many billions of devices without Linux that run sqlite and libcurl...

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/bagder/statuses/116594262267769414https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/bagder/statuses/116594262267769414Mon, 18 May 2026 06:54:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 06:47:41 GMT]]>@bagder Isn't libz basically a kernel dependency now days? So if you run linux you'd have it installed... unless you chose not to compress your kernel.
libcurl as a second if you want to talk over a network.
Then sql, cause everything needs a database now days.
Lastly OpenSSL because "security is out of scope for our LAN only thingamajig that's definitely never going to be connected to the Internet".

But I'm basing this on a guess that Linux use trumps network use, which might be naïve.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/aanee/statuses/116594236537581347https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.online/users/aanee/statuses/116594236537581347Mon, 18 May 2026 06:47:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 06:47:26 GMT]]>@can @bagder Advent calendars, though... are they windows or doors?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/muddle/statuses/116594235569042677https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/muddle/statuses/116594235569042677Mon, 18 May 2026 06:47:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 06:43:37 GMT]]>@muddle obviously windows. Most rooms only have one door. Many rooms have multiple windows. @bagder

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://haz.pink/users/can/statuses/116594220549139328https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://haz.pink/users/can/statuses/116594220549139328Mon, 18 May 2026 06:43:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 06:26:37 GMT]]>@jawnsy @pythno @bagder I went for sqlite simply because it is also found on non internet connected devices but then again libz and libcurl might even be in places on accident almost.. what a fun question wish we could tally 😄

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jabwd/statuses/116594153740775399https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jabwd/statuses/116594153740775399Mon, 18 May 2026 06:26:37 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 06:06:47 GMT]]>@paolo_lulli @bagder the only reason i voted sqlite is it's also kindof a default thing with offline devices, so little embedded crap that would never even dream of anything internet. i'm pretty sure there are about 5 sqlite instances in my 1 meter range where i'm sitting now: an (electric) piano, a looper, a crappy projector, my watch (also libcurl!), and something else I can't think of now.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/gergolippai/statuses/116594075702338058https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/gergolippai/statuses/116594075702338058Mon, 18 May 2026 06:06:47 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 05:46:44 GMT]]>@xeniac @bagder

This. I'm also thinking it might be a dependency for lots of other libraries, maybe including libcurl. Optional perhaps - but what distro doesn't throw in the kitchen sink?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/tbortels/statuses/116593996894052342https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/tbortels/statuses/116593996894052342Mon, 18 May 2026 05:46:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 05:38:48 GMT]]>@pythno @bagder I figured OpenSSL would be most popular (you need encryption even if you're not using curl), but then I remembered that other TLS stacks are popular in embedded devices, where libcurl is pretty commonly found

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jawnsy/statuses/116593965681973420https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/jawnsy/statuses/116593965681973420Mon, 18 May 2026 05:38:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 05:16:26 GMT]]>@bagder i wonder why so many people bet on sqlite. IMHO it's the newest competitor in this game, and the are so many alternatives to it.
My bets are on zlib. I don't know any device that don't use an compressed kernel, compressed partitions, or libs.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://troet.cafe/users/xeniac/statuses/116593877735355317https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://troet.cafe/users/xeniac/statuses/116593877735355317Mon, 18 May 2026 05:16:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 05:04:38 GMT]]>@bagder There's no way it isn't sqlite.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/notgull/statuses/116593831373263175https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/notgull/statuses/116593831373263175Mon, 18 May 2026 05:04:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 05:00:00 GMT]]>@bagder do they have to be devices that are still active? i would imagine the mp3 players and Game Boys of days past would have more need of decompression than networking or databases. but the majority of them are in landfills or drawers nowadays.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dontony/statuses/116593813140868126https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dontony/statuses/116593813140868126Mon, 18 May 2026 05:00:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 04:32:43 GMT]]>@bagder Hmm. It's like asking if there are more windows or doors in the world?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/muddle/statuses/116593705855242322https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://infosec.exchange/users/muddle/statuses/116593705855242322Mon, 18 May 2026 04:32:43 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to If you were to guess, which of these components is installed in most devices world-wide? on Mon, 18 May 2026 03:04:23 GMT]]>@bagder I was very tempted by sqlite ... on all the Androids for example, but not on Windows by default. OpenSSL is out, because there are other implementations. libz follows closely on a general-purpose OS and anything with web; but libcurl covers protocols other than HTTP; FTP and friends have been around for a lot longer, and there are a lot of IoT devices ...

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://masto.hackers.town/users/yojimbo/statuses/116593358494437866https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://masto.hackers.town/users/yojimbo/statuses/116593358494437866Mon, 18 May 2026 03:04:23 GMT